Brummie Hibs Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Fook off the lot of you. I am away to Morrisons to get cheap red wine that will stain my teeth then watch a double episode of Coronation st. My trip out of ‘anything goes ‘ has been an unmitigated disaster 🤨 Yeah, I was just doing it to phuk with your evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 hours ago, scottincarlisle said: Everyone at some point started on zero. Its not hard to build up points but you have to go to 3 or 4 games a year, every year, not just when a big game comes along. I wish you would stop saying that. It is not easy to build up points unless you have the money. Those of you saying you make sacrifices obviously do have the money. Basically over the last few years the suits have told us we can only go to away games if we have a certain income. Some one said regarding 10% tickets left for a ballot would lead to some people with points disappointed well you can only be disappointed if you have hope. There are a lot of Fans that will never have any hope of going to competitive away games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, drew said: I believe they all have a loyalty system in place. England home and away games are awarded the same points (they call it caps) which are used when demand outstrips supply of tickets. Used to just be away games that were awarded but it hasn't made much of a difference in who got tickets as nearly everyone who goes to an away game will go to the home matches. Aberdeen do similar thing although some matches get slightly more points than others. They have on the odd occasion misjudged demand and set the points to low resulting in some people missing out who would normally have got or to high resulting in a very slow sale process. Far better way of doing things. Regarding the old firm, is it the same sort of elite who always get tickets for away old firm games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Basically over the last few years the suits have told us we can only go to away games if we have a certain income How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: I wish you would stop saying that. It is not easy to build up points unless you have the money. Those of you saying you make sacrifices obviously do have the money. Basically over the last few years the suits have told us we can only go to away games if we have a certain income. Some one said regarding 10% tickets left for a ballot would lead to some people with points disappointed well you can only be disappointed if you have hope. There are a lot of Fans that will never have any hope of going to competitive away games Ach away, it's easy for fans to build up points. You're just not making the right sacrifices. I'm on 8 points, and both myself and the missus earn around the average salary. I just explained to the wife and kids that they won't be getting a holiday this year (or ever), plus i explained to my bank that i wanted to take a break from paying my mortgage. They were both very understanding, and even complimented me on my commitment to my national team. My firstborn wasn't too keen when i told her i needed one of her kidneys to sell to a lovely rich family in America, but she came round when i told her we'd stop off at Disneyland if we had time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Fook off the lot of you. I am away to Morrisons to get cheap red wine that will stain my teeth then watch a double episode of Coronation st. My trip out of ‘anything goes ‘ has been an unmitigated disaster 🤨 “Load of shite” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: I wish you would stop saying that. It is not easy to build up points unless you have the money. Those of you saying you make sacrifices obviously do have the money. Basically over the last few years the suits have told us we can only go to away games if we have a certain income. Some one said regarding 10% tickets left for a ballot would lead to some people with points disappointed well you can only be disappointed if you have hope. There are a lot of Fans that will never have any hope of going to competitive away games OK, I'll bite. I'll call the bit in bold out as total bollocks unless you can provide a reference to where this was ever said or implied. How many away points do you have, and why do you not have more? What's stopping you making away trips? We haven't had any in the last 5 years (including Georgia) that have been particularly difficult to get to, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: How so? You need a certain income to be able to afford to go abroad on a regular basis.Easy to say its simple to pick up points not so easy when they expire before you can afford to go away again. That is what the travel club has done. I missed one home game in the last campaign, England game because I see no point in being in the travel club unless you plan on travelling somewhere. Although I do travel from the Hebrides so maybe I should join. Didn't know what to say when some one said they got a flight to Albania for £150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said: OK, I'll bite. I'll call the bit in bold out as total bollocks unless you can provide a reference to where this was ever said or implied. How many away points do you have, and why do you not have more? What's stopping you making away trips? We haven't had any in the last 5 years (including Georgia) that have been particularly difficult to get to, in my opinion. Think I answered that at the same time you posted it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: You need a certain income to be able to afford to go abroad on a regular basis.Easy to say its simple to pick up points not so easy when they expire before you can afford to go away again. That is what the travel club has done. I missed one home game in the last campaign, England game because I see no point in being in the travel club unless you plan on travelling somewhere. Although I do travel from the Hebrides so maybe I should join. Didn't know what to say when some one said they got a flight to Albania for £150 Make sacrifices and go to less home games and more away games. It's simple You're at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, ceudmilefailte said: You need a certain income to be able to afford to go abroad on a regular basis.Easy to say its simple to pick up points not so easy when they expire before you can afford to go away again. That is what the travel club has done. I missed one home game in the last campaign, England game because I see no point in being in the travel club unless you plan on travelling somewhere. Although I do travel from the Hebrides so maybe I should join. Didn't know what to say when some one said they got a flight to Albania for £150 You don't need 'a certain income' to do so. You need to decide what your priorities are with the income you have and plan accordingly. I understand that you are never going to get flights to Albania for 150 notes, but that's a function of where you live (you don't say why you choose to live in the Hebrides, but frankly that's a moot point). Where I am, I have limited flight options and it costs me significant euro (compared to others) to get to anywhere to see the away games. For example, I won't be making Budapest although the game falls bang on my birthday, because at New Year my 89 year old mother asked me to be with her on that day. In my mind, there wasn't a choice to be made. That's where my priority lies on this occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langtonian Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 hours ago, kumnio said: When teams play games where there are limited tickets, previous attendance is taken into account. It happens for club cup finals for example. The Scotland Travel Club, think that’s what it’s called, acts in the same manner. I’m not able to make Israel this year, so will drop down a point, if I then lose access to tickets, it’s my own fault. Order your ticket,not like theres going go be selective pick up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Building up points is not difficult. In this culture of expecting everything in your lap for nothing back in return, just because it is your right as a human, is the dichotomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanmartin Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: You don't need 'a certain income' to do so. You need to decide what your priorities are with the income you have and plan accordingly. I understand that you are never going to get flights to Albania for 150 notes, but that's a function of where you live (you don't say why you choose to live in the Hebrides, but frankly that's a moot point). Where I am, I have limited flight options and it costs me significant euro (compared to others) to get to anywhere to see the away games. For example, I won't be making Budapest although the game falls bang on my birthday, because at New Year my 89 year old mother asked me to be with her on that day. In my mind, there wasn't a choice to be made. That's where my priority lies on this occasion. unacceptable! she could still be with you in Budapest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: You need a certain income to be able to afford to go abroad on a regular basis.Easy to say its simple to pick up points not so easy when they expire before you can afford to go away again. That is what the travel club has done. I missed one home game in the last campaign, England game because I see no point in being in the travel club unless you plan on travelling somewhere. Although I do travel from the Hebrides so maybe I should join. Didn't know what to say when some one said they got a flight to Albania for £150 Hitch hike Take a tent Don't drink 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, tartanmartin said: unacceptable! she could still be with you in Budapest. Would love that to be the case, but unfortunately the days of her even managing to make the shops let alone get on a plane (as she did up until 4/5 years ago) are over. Want to make the most of her while she's still here. Anyway, back on topic, I only introduced that as an example of sometimes having to decide your priorities - they could be economic, family or work related. Every one of us is impacted by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, Brummie Hibs said: Building up points is not difficult. In this culture of expecting everything in your lap for nothing back in return, just because it is your right as a human, is the dichotomy. WTF arw you talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 38 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: You don't need 'a certain income' to do so. You need to decide what your priorities are with the income you have and plan accordingly. I understand that you are never going to get flights to Albania for 150 notes, but that's a function of where you live (you don't say why you choose to live in the Hebrides, but frankly that's a moot point). Where I am, I have limited flight options and it costs me significant euro (compared to others) to get to anywhere to see the away games. For example, I won't be making Budapest although the game falls bang on my birthday, because at New Year my 89 year old mother asked me to be with her on that day. In my mind, there wasn't a choice to be made. That's where my priority lies on this occasion. Sorry but what sort of disposable income do you think is needed to get on the ladder at a high enough level to get a ticket for a competitive game? I don't understand how this can be argued. I work 37.5 hours a week and cant afford to go away twice a year to see friendlies just on the off chance I might get a ticket for a competitive game. Live in the Hebrides because that is were I was born the wife was born and were we decided was the best place to bring up our children. Should probably have sacrificed all that for the chance to follow Scotland or worked harder in school but what ever way you look at it I will never have any chance of a ticket based on the current system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Sorry but what sort of disposable income do you think is needed to get on the ladder at a high enough level to get a ticket for a competitive game? I don't understand how this can be argued. I work 37.5 hours a week and cant afford to go away twice a year to see friendlies just on the off chance I might get a ticket for a competitive game. Live in the Hebrides because that is were I was born the wife was born and were we decided was the best place to bring up our children. Should probably have sacrificed all that for the chance to follow Scotland or worked harder in school but what ever way you look at it I will never have any chance of a ticket based on the current system. As has been said ad nauseam on this thread, everybody in the travel club started on 0 points at one stage. As I've already pointed out it's less a question of disposable income, and more to do with how high up your list of priorities following Scotland on away trips is. There is no right or wrong answer here, other than the away points system is what it is and it works perfectly well as it stands. Sorry that it doesn't work for you, but your assertion about level of disposable income does not stand up to much scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: As has been said ad nauseam on this thread, everybody in the travel club started on 0 points at one stage. As I've already pointed out it's less a question of disposable income, and more to do with how high up your list of priorities following Scotland on away trips is. There is no right or wrong answer here, other than the away points system is what it is and it works perfectly well as it stands. Sorry that it doesn't work for you, but your assertion about level of disposable income does not stand up to much scrutiny. Really don't understand how you don't get that. Any way I'm of to skin a rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gala Tartan Army (Borders) Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 11 hours ago, Alan said: The current system was created when travelling was difficult. Now its easy to organise, people have more disposable income and it's an "event" where football is a small part of it. It needs to change. People are being rewarded out of proportion for going on holiday and not even bothering with home games which should be your core support. There should be rewards for all fans and not just the people who travel usually in the older age group with cash to spend. Agree with Alan 100% . Points system needs to come into the 21st. century. When did the points system come in , wasn't there for most of the Marjory Nimmo tenure when it was called The Scotland Travel Club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Must have been pre 98 as if I remember some got three tickets, but every member was gtd one for world cup. Mind you got a ticket for England game via travel club without going any were after WC. Maybe no one went any were in those days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Debian said: Hitch hike Take a tent Don't drink 👍 ??????!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Really don't understand how you don't get that. Any way I'm of to skin a rabbit Could be a hare raising moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wubbs Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 38 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Sorry but what sort of disposable income do you think is needed to get on the ladder at a high enough level to get a ticket for a competitive game? I don't understand how this can be argued. I work 37.5 hours a week and cant afford to go away twice a year to see friendlies just on the off chance I might get a ticket for a competitive game. Live in the Hebrides because that is were I was born the wife was born and were we decided was the best place to bring up our children. Should probably have sacrificed all that for the chance to follow Scotland or worked harder in school but what ever way you look at it I will never have any chance of a ticket based on the current system. The phrase 'have your cake and eat it' springs to mind. Trips can be quite cheap if money is your concern. Use budget airlines, stay in dorm rooms, cook your own food, don't drink alcohol, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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