thplinth Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: What a walloper. It is not real. http://newsthump.com/2017/08/02/tighter-border-controls-should-not-apply-when-im-going-on-holiday-insists-angry-brexiter/ edit: People's vote is used to suggest it was not the people who voted for it the first place. Edited November 5, 2018 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Cmon now politics is all about helping the working class, unless they vote the wrong way, then they should be mocked and insulted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 54 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Cmon now politics is all about helping the working class, unless they vote the wrong way, then they should be mocked and insulted. No it sounds to me that he wants to come and go as he pleases but put restraints on others travel. Others who, by his estimation/choice should have restrictions. Or in other words one rule for one and one rule for another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: No it sounds to me that he wants to come and go as he pleases but put restraints on others travel. Others who, by his estimation/choice should have restrictions. Or in other words one rule for one and one rule for another. Think it’s satire. But having a go at folk who voted leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: No it sounds to me that he wants to come and go as he pleases but put restraints on others travel. Others who, by his estimation/choice should have restrictions. Or in other words one rule for one and one rule for another. 13 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Think it’s satire. But having a go at folk who voted leave. It is one those memes that fall into the category "Its funny because it's true" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Only if the vote goes the wrong way. There would be no people’s vote if remain won If Remain had won, by a similar margin to Leave winning, or even 55-45, then it's almost certain that the Leave side would press for a re-run. Not immediately because Remain means business as usual (as did the No in 2014) not requiring additional deals or options to be voted on. But sooner or later, just as indy supporters knew 45-55 was close enough for the dream to live on. In fact, Farage specifically said so, that there would be an "unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, exile said: If Remain had won, by a similar margin to Leave winning, or even 55-45, then it's almost certain that the Leave side would press for a re-run. Not immediately because Remain means business as usual (as did the No in 2014) not requiring additional deals or options to be voted on. But sooner or later, just as indy supporters knew 45-55 was close enough for the dream to live on. In fact, Farage specifically said so, that there would be an "unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681 Don’t agree, don’t think there would have been much mainstream support for another referendum if remain won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Don’t agree, don’t think there would have been much mainstream support for another referendum if remain won. Hmm, I'd be inclined to take Nige at his word on this particular occasion, that the Leave side would be emboldened by a narrow defeat, and there would have been a helluva push for another one, sooner or later, remembering that at the time UKIP were on an upward trajectory snapping at Tory heels (and Labour ones) all over the shop, with a huge popular vote in 2015 that translated into only one seat - a democratic deficit that would not go away in a hurry; Cameron had a small majority that would be under threat from defection to UKIP by disgruntled Leavers at any time.... That is all speculation of course... but a curious reminder that if Remain had won Cameron would still be in power, mid term, with a couple of years away from the next GE... and indyref2 would be on the back burner for the foreseeable future Edited November 5, 2018 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Don’t agree, don’t think there would have been much mainstream support for another referendum if remain won. Take 2 was their plan all along. They themselves underestimated how easy it would be to dog whistle the xenophobic cunts into their nefarious enterprise. Not a clue what to do about it when they won 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Honestly, BoJo was only positioning himself as a guy who could punt a decent campaign with no hope of actually winning. It was like a fucking school homework project to him. All to impress the 1923 Committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Don’t agree, don’t think there would have been much mainstream support for another referendum if remain won. You would have had the Sun, The Mail and Express on a daily rampage until another vote was called. Only pausing for the anniversary of Diana’s death and the birth of a new Royal baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said: Take 2 was their plan all along. They themselves underestimated how easy it would be to dog whistle the xenophobic cunts into their nefarious enterprise. Not a clue what to do about it when they won 😂 It’s all speculation I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: You would have had the Sun, The Mail and Express on a daily rampage until another vote was called. Only pausing for the anniversary of Diana’s death and the birth of a new Royal baby. Even so I can’t imagine much political clout behind it, but again it’s speculation so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I believe these people may have voted for Brexit... https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-05/disgusting-video-shows-laughing-group-burn-grenfell-tower-model-at-bonfire-party/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 15 hours ago, exile said: If Remain had won, by a similar margin to Leave winning, or even 55-45, then it's almost certain that the Leave side would press for a re-run. Not immediately because Remain means business as usual (as did the No in 2014) not requiring additional deals or options to be voted on. But sooner or later, just as indy supporters knew 45-55 was close enough for the dream to live on. In fact, Farage specifically said so, that there would be an "unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681 i don't see anything wrong with that. if people that want a rerun of a vote get the votes for it in an election- they should be allowed to press for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 They say nothing is agreed until everything is agreed . So 95% settled is meaningless if the last 5% involves not just the Irish border but European fleet access to British Seas... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/07/crunch-cabinet-meeting-over-theresa-may-brexit-deal-delayed-amid-row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, exile said: They say nothing is agreed until everything is agreed . So 95% settled is meaningless if the last 5% involves not just the Irish border but European fleet access to British Seas... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/07/crunch-cabinet-meeting-over-theresa-may-brexit-deal-delayed-amid-row It seems clear to me that the deal they hope to sign off will not meet with approval with some in the cabinet hence the legal terms of it are not even being released to Tory party members. Sounds like trying to pull the wool over their eyes and hope to get the deal passed without any questions (which they don't have answers to) being asked. Edited November 8, 2018 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 a massive spanner in Brexit from Scotland ... latest court ruling we are going to the ECJ https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811081069625806-scotland-court-brexit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I wonder how many leading Tories would be quite happy to see a hard border in Ireland? https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/11/the-price-of-peace/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I wonder how many leading Tories would be quite happy to see a hard border in Ireland? https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/11/the-price-of-peace/ Vast majority I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Orraloon said: I wonder how many leading Tories would be quite happy to see a hard border in Ireland? https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/11/the-price-of-peace/ Don't know, but I think Murray overstates the determination of the Tories to cling on to NI. A pretty high proportion of Tories would be happy to lose NI as a price of Brexit. In effect there is a limit to the resolve of Unionism, in England probably overstated. But it hasn't been put to the test... yet. Edited November 8, 2018 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 hours ago, FuNsTeR said: a massive spanner in Brexit from Scotland ... latest court ruling we are going to the ECJ https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811081069625806-scotland-court-brexit/ Huge implications. If parliament rejects Theresa Mays 'bad deal' then they likely wont be bound by no-deal. BBC not reporting this ruling either However UK government losing court case under Scots law doesn't make for good headlines. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/08/uk-cannot-stop-brexit-article-50-case-going-to-ecj-says-scottish-court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, exile said: Don't know, but I think Murray overstates the determination of the Tories to cling on to NI. A pretty high proportion of Tories would be happy to lose NI as a price of Brexit. In effect there is a limit to the resolve of Unionism, in England probably overstated. But it hasn't been put to the test... yet. I think a lot of it is to do with pride. I think if they could get rid of NI without it looking like they'd "lost" it., then most would be happy to see it go. Also, if it wasn't that they were dependent on the DUP votes then the deal would have been done already with the customs border in the Irish Sea. Edited November 8, 2018 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, aaid said: I think a lot of it is to do with pride. I think if they could get rid of NI without it looking like they'd "lost" it., then most would be happy to see it go. Also, if it wasn't that they were dependent on the DUP votes then the deal would have been done already with the customs border in the Irish Sea. Absolutely. And some would say the same of Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 29 minutes ago, Haggis_trap said: Huge implications. If parliament rejects Theresa Mays 'bad deal' then they likely wont be bound by no-deal. BBC not reporting this ruling either However UK government losing court case under Scots law doesn't make for good headlines. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/08/uk-cannot-stop-brexit-article-50-case-going-to-ecj-says-scottish-court TBF, it'll only be really big news once the ECJ opines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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