Tartan Eagle Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 These are great Flure. I'd like some of these - how much are they, and how do I pay? Thanks Flure - order placed today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) It'll pass Is there any part of you wondering how we got to 192k votes from victory ? Wondering how with the might of the press , the state , the establishment you almost failed ? Surely you must realise this is a shallow and temporary victory ? Edited October 6, 2014 by UPROAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Is there any part of you wondering how we got to 192k votes from victory ? Wondering how with the might of the press , the state , the establishment you almost failed ? Surely you must realise this is a shallow and temporary victory ? In hindsight it was mighty close.. Its up to the SNP to assess the key areas where the failed to convince to electorate and build on this. The first priority for Sturgeon is to secure another majority in the 2016 elections. It would be a mistake to have this classed as a vote for independence. It would result in them losing votes in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 The SNP have some big decisions to make. They are being discussed right now. We will have a better idea of what the plan is after the party conference. One idea would be to stand at the general election saying that a good performance means that they will put another referendum into the manifesto for 2016. They will stick to the "decision on whether we have another referendum will be made by the people of Scotland". They wont announce this bit until the 2015 manifesto is published. That will give the Tories plenty time to show us all that they have no intention of giving us DevoMax as promised. We also have local elections again in 2017 so 2018 could be another referendum year. Of course if they di give us DevoMax then independence could well be off the table for a generation. Interesting times politically no matter which way it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If anyone is still feeling crap about the result just step back and think for a moment.The yes vote was 45% that has doubled in about 10 years.Back when the SNP first won power in Holyrood independence was only supported by around 22% of the population.Onward and upward went the 45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If anyone is still feeling crap about the result just step back and think for a moment.The yes vote was 45% that has doubled in about 10 years.Back when the SNP first won power in Holyrood independence was only supported by around 22% of the population.Onward and upward went the 45. Ipsos MORI (formerly MORI) poll data between 1978 and 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Interesting. Never realised support for independence was so high circa 1998 (World Cup fever? There seems to be a peak every time we qualified). Curious to note also that it was falling to a 30 year low for the first few years of SNP government... Edited October 7, 2014 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Alan Rodent has been tweeting some graphs about IndyRef. No idea how right they are or where they are from although Edinburgh Uni is mentioned, but fairly interesting. I can't seem to post the images, but https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/519182216409399298/photo/1 And few others on his page Nae idea why the last one is so small, but from what I can make out 16-29 = 47 no 53 yes30-39 = 47 no 53 yes40-49 = 48 no 52 yes50-59 = 52 no 48 yes60-69 = 56 no 44 yes70+ = 69 no 31 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Ipsos MORI (formerly MORI) poll data between 1978 and 2012. That big spike in the middle. Purely down to Braveheart of course...I recall there was a poll in 1992 that had support over 50% - maybe not a Mori poll? Going to be interesting seeing the next few polls on the subject, if they bother still polling on it. Edited October 7, 2014 by Armchair Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Alan Rodent has been tweeting some graphs about IndyRef. No idea how right they are or where they are from although Edinburgh Uni is mentioned, but fairly interesting. I can't seem to post the images, but https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/519182216409399298/photo/1 And few others on his page Nae idea why the last one is so small, but from what I can make out 16-29 = 47 no 53 yes 30-39 = 47 no 53 yes 40-49 = 48 no 52 yes 50-59 = 52 no 48 yes 60-69 = 56 no 44 yes 70+ = 69 no 31 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) So the people who went to those evil Catholic schools were one of the strongest Yes demographics? Whereas the CoS types at their doctrine free comprehensives voted overwhelmingly No? What an ar$ehole. edit: not you Tom, just thinking out loud. Edited October 7, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 What an ar$ehole. edit: not you Tom, just thinking out loud. I freely admit I can be an ar$ehole at times ....but I bend to no-one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 So elderly Church of Scotland ladies = , young Catholic Scotsmen = good guys?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I freely admit I can be an ar$ehole at times ....but I bend to no-one. Are these stats solid? Because if they are it puts to bed the whole plastic paddy shit once and for all. The reality is the folk (generally) calling the catholics plastic paddies (generally) voted No making them the true plastic jocks and the plastic paddies voted (generally) Yes making them fully authentic jocks. It is funny as fukk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 is rUk folk from rUk eligible to voye in the referendum? What is oUk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 is rUk folk from rUk eligible to voye in the referendum? What is oUk?Outside uk, surely? It's where folk were born. Folk born in England,Wales or NI voted 72% No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Lets remember not all SNP voters were independence supporters not back then nor now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Outside uk, surely? It's where folk were born. Folk born in England,Wales or NI voted 72% No. makes sense. the big No from Other religion makes me wonder if the Scottish muslim & jewish communities voted No big time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Alan Rodent has been tweeting some graphs about IndyRef. No idea how right they are or where they are from although Edinburgh Uni is mentioned, but fairly interesting. I can't seem to post the images, but https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/519182216409399298/photo/1 And few others on his page Nae idea why the last one is so small, but from what I can make out 16-29 = 47 no 53 yes 30-39 = 47 no 53 yes 40-49 = 48 no 52 yes 50-59 = 52 no 48 yes 60-69 = 56 no 44 yes 70+ = 69 no 31 yes I blame the Protestants... Seriously though, that's very interesting - I didn't realise that the religion gap would be so large... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 So elderly Church of Scotland ladies = shower, young Catholic Scotsmen = good guys?? Early data analysis suggests: Tims & Atheists. Good Guys Prods, Jews and Muslims. Onanists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Going even more fundamental it was the ladies who tipped it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 400k english voted while 800,000+ scottish expats were not allowed a vote. If voting rights had been based on your birthplace and not current residency that would eliminate a big No chunk and introduce a large Yes chunk (IMHO). Crazy that Czechs etc and English got a vote while born and bred Scots were denied. Most forced abroad by the very issue independence would have addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 There is nothing more likely to cause anger, division and resentment than people telling others what the "correct" response is. Oh the irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Even said in jest it seems a bit divisive to be pointing the finger at various religions and nationalities, no? There is simply not enough info on the background to the charts to work out what they mean? For all we know any one of those minority religions could be staunch yes or no, but the figures masked by other others. Maybe 'other religion' includes non CoS 'prods' which could include Anglican and others from rUK? Even the lowest yes group - the good old rUK - is quite healthy if you think about it - a 29% vote for independence is not a bad shout from people prepared to cut themselves off from their homeland, and side with saltire waving rallies singing about sending Edward home; and not bad given historic general apathy for independence, where 29% would be not untypical (across all voters in Scotland). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Criticisms and qualifications of demographic profiling[edit] Demographic profiling is essentially an exercise in making generalizations about groups of people. As with all such generalizations many individuals within these groups will not conform to the profile - demographic information is aggregate and probabilistic information about groups, not about specific individuals. Critics of demographic profiling argue that such broad-brush generalizations can only offer such limited insight and that their practical usefulness is debatable. Most demographic information is also culturally based. The generational cohort information above, for example, applies primarily to North America (and to a lesser extent to Western Europe) and it may be unfruitful to generalize conclusions more widely as different nations face different situations and potential challenges.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics Edited October 7, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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