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[ParisInAKilt]

13 minutes ago, antidote said:

Viewed through Independence or not Labour leaders in the past have been just as bad at cuts etc. as the tories when in power.

Absolutely but, and I may be proven wrong, I think Corbyn is different. Given the available options, he's worth a shot as only labour or the Tories can form the next government. 

[antidote]

12 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Absolutely but, and I may be proven wrong, I think Corbyn is different. Given the available options, he's worth a shot as only labour or the Tories can form the next government. 

Personally I don't think so for many reasons and the main one in my opinion is that England is more conservative thinking, with a small c as well as a big C, than Labour socialist thinking. I've met many an Englishman in my line of work who have no  problem switching between Tory and Labour, not scousers though.

Then you've got the added problem of Labour's economic record.

Splits that will arrive in his own parliamentary party.

Corbyn is simply not suited for the front bench, more of a back bencher.

Edited April 12, 2016 by antidote

[ParisInAKilt]

16 minutes ago, antidote said:

Personally I don't think so for many reasons and the main one in my opinion is that England is more conservative thinking, with a small c as well as a big C, than Labour socialist thinking. I've met many an Englishman in my line of work who have no  problem switching between Tory and Labour, not scousers though.

Then you've got the added problem of Labour's economic record.

Splits that will arrive in his own parliamentary party.

Corbyn is simply not suited for the front bench, more of a back bencher.

Don't agree. Reckon the U.K. will vote Corbyn in, at least in a minority if he can make it to the election. Especially after more Tory pish for the next few years. 

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, antidote said:

Viewed through Independence or not Labour leaders in the past have been just as bad at cuts etc. as the tories when in power.

The worst cuts to public services of late have been as a result of the Council Tax Freeze. 

If only the SNP had kept their promise to scrap the Council Tax, maybe we won't have public services being cut quite so much. 

[giblet]

58 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Don't agree. Reckon the U.K. will vote Corbyn in, at least in a minority if he can make it to the election. Especially after more Tory pish for the next few years. 

Corbyn is bat shit crazy, look at how he is struggling to control the remnants of the Labour party.  Not a chance he will get elected as PM.

[ParisInAKilt]

11 minutes ago, giblet said:

Corbyn is bat shit crazy, look at how he is struggling to control the remnants of the Labour party.  Not a chance he will get elected as PM.

I'd be more worried if he could control a bunch of neoliberal leaches, when these people fall in line behind a "leader" then it's business as usual. 

[Orraloon]

1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Only when viewed through the narrow lens of independence. 

Like it or not Scotland is part of the Union for the foreseeable future. Social change, assuming that this is important to you, is surely best achieved via a Corbyn government? 

Nothing will ever be achieved via a Corbyn government because it will never happen.

[ParisInAKilt]

6 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

Nothing will ever be achieved via a Corbyn government because it will never happen.

One can hope

[Orraloon]

54 minutes ago, Parklife said:

The worst cuts to public services of late have been as a result of the Council Tax Freeze. 

If only the SNP had kept their promise to scrap the Council Tax, maybe we won't have public services being cut quite so much. 

Well done, you managed to turn a thread about rich, toffy nosed tories, avoiding tax into an "SNP BAD" story. You should apply for a job at the Daily Retard.

[Larky Masher]

2 hours ago, antidote said:

Property tax?

"Charges like stamp duty, council tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax and business rates are higher in the UK than any of the 33 other members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)"

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489554/Britons-pay-highest-property-taxes-world-Charges-like-stamp-duty-mean-fork-60BILLION-year.html

How can I argue against the very pinnacle of objective journalism and staunch supporter of Scottish Nationalism that is the Daily Mail.

[Parklife]

7 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

Well done, you managed to turn a thread about rich, toffy nosed tories, avoiding tax into an "SNP BAD" story. You should apply for a job at the Daily Retard.

Nah, the post i quoted related to cuts being made by Tory/Labour governments (somehow you're okay with posts about those....). I then referenced a cut which is having a massive effect on public services (and therefore affecting the poorest in society the most), which was made by the SNP. 

 

 

[Orraloon]

8 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Nah, the post i quoted related to cuts being made by Tory/Labour governments (somehow you're okay with posts about those....). I then referenced a cut which is having a massive effect on public services (and therefore affecting the poorest in society the most), which was made by the SNP. 

 

 

It isn't a cut though, the freeze has been fully funded by the SG.

Council tax accounts for less than 12% of councils budgets. If it was up to me, I would have kept the freeze in place and funded it from central government and after about 20 to 30 years it would have been virtually inflated out of existence. Of course the SG would then have to raise that money from somewhere else.

 

[Larky Masher]

6 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

It isn't a cut though, the freeze has been fully funded by the SG.

Council tax accounts for less than 12% of councils budgets. If it was up to me, I would have kept the freeze in place and funded it from central government and after about 20 to 30 years it would have been virtually inflated out of existence. Of course the SG would then have to raise that money from somewhere else.

 

With inflation factored in it's a cut.

[thewelk]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36017175

I think that guy genuinely believes what he said there.

The Scottish people had the chance to kick these entitled c##ts out of controlling Scotland forever. Decided to keep them.

[Lamia]

2 hours ago, antidote said:

You do have google on your computer I take it.

 

Another one for you; APD tax.

You are the one making the claims so if it is that easy to prove then why don't you do so?

Your reluctance suggests you can't!

[antidote]

2 hours ago, Parklife said:

The worst cuts to public services of late have been as a result of the Council Tax Freeze. 

If only the SNP had kept their promise to scrap the Council Tax, maybe we won't have public services being cut quite so much. 

Absolute nonsense.

Ask why councils have £1.9 billion in investments, why they made a surplus profit of £70 million last year, why they can still send their councillors in junkets around the world, pay their workers double time (in Falkirk) Build a brand new council headquarters in Falkirk, pay their chief execs so much money.

You come from Falkirk so come up to the pathway, about 70 metres long, between Woodlands crescent and finistre avenue and see where your money is wasted.

It has taken 7 council workers, not including the driver of the truck, a full 7 days to remove the old slabs, with a JCB, and lay the tarmac with all the equipment, roller, dumper truck etc. at their disposal and they've still not finished.

Ever seen a large puddle on a new path which is on a hill?

 

Then you'll see where your tax is wasted.

[antidote]

1 hour ago, Larky Masher said:

How can I argue against the very pinnacle of objective journalism and staunch supporter of Scottish Nationalism that is the Daily Mail.

You can't, that's why you usually turn to insults and derogatory remarks. 

[antidote]

1 hour ago, Larky Masher said:

With inflation factored in it's a cut.

Of course our pocket money hasn't been cut from westminster.

[antidote]

24 minutes ago, Lamia said:

You are the one making the claims so if it is that easy to prove then why don't you do so?

Your reluctance suggests you can't!

Already given reference and by the looks of it you refute them and can't back up your argument, so therefore you can't back up your claim.

APD:

http://www.afairtaxonflying.org/facts/

 

" Yet instead he actually used Budget 2012 to increase duty on tobacco, fuel and alcohol, despite the fact that we already have amongst the highest tobacco and fuel duties in the world"

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1083/black_market_blues_why_the_uk_must_close_the_tax_gap_on_tobacco_fuel_and_alcohol

[Larky Masher]

1 hour ago, antidote said:

You can't, that's why you usually turn to insults and derogatory remarks. 

I'd suggest it you that's insulting the rest of the board by attempting to you the Daily Mail as a credible source, what next Stormfront?

[thplinth]

Regarding all this strange 'unearned income' chat...

Gifts are tax free. That is the law. (Surprisingly so in certain cases like Rosie the dogs' bank account for Arry.)

It is only if you die within 7 years of the gift does it get snarled up in inheritance tax. 

OOOOoooo Unearned income...

[antidote]

1 hour ago, Larky Masher said:

I'd suggest it you that's insulting the rest of the board by attempting to you the Daily Mail as a credible source, what next Stormfront?

It not like you've not insulted before and I only come here for a laugh too.  

If a right wing tory paper is saying this about the UK run by a right wing tory party then I think you get the jist of the truth in it.

[antidote]

59 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Regarding all this strange 'unearned income' chat...

Gifts are tax free. That is the law. (Surprisingly so in certain cases like Rosie the dogs' bank account for Arry.)

It is only if you die within 7 years of the gift does it get snarled up in inheritance tax. 

OOOOoooo Unearned income...

I remember away back in 2004 you could gift up to £28000 before it was taxed.

Don't know if that has changed now.

I think the total that is liable for inheritance tax is over £325,000. Don't know if property counts though. 

[Lamia]

3 hours ago, antidote said:

Already given reference

Where is your analysis of the total tax we pay in comparison to other countries to back up your claim?

Edited April 12, 2016 by Lamia

[Larky Masher]

1 hour ago, antidote said:

It not like you've not insulted before and I only come here for a laugh too.  

If a right wing tory paper is saying this about the UK run by a right wing tory party then I think you get the jist of the truth in it.

You don't actually get the jist of the truth you get the full force of an ultra Tory agenda of reducing tax for the rich, are you totally berfeft of any cognitive functions?