Leicester - What A Team This Year

[fringo]

6 minutes ago, Angus_Young said:

I don't think it's right to say they built it on budget buys or big fees.

They had very low fees with Birtles £2k, Lloyd £60k and of course Gemmill. They did also spend £1m on Francis and £600k for Woodcock. 

Add to that the guys they picked up for free and the 5 or 6 lads already at the club, it really is a mixed bag in terms fees, although fair to say they spent relatively modestly. 

I'm half way through 'i believe in miracles' just now. Well worth a watch for anyone that's not seen it. 

Edit - Woodcock was sold for that, I've read it wrong. 

Guys like Francis were bought after they'd won the league.

It is a bit of a mixed bag but not big spending (Shilton apart). I'm only making these points because my memory as a young school kid was of a small team pieced together who did amazing things.

It is possibly the closest thing to what Leicester have done in the EPL but I do 100% agree with others here that Leicester's achievement is much, much more impressive when you compare current English clubs spending of Chelsea, Man City, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc etc..

[Angus_Young]

20 minutes ago, phart said:

The best bet is his book, but a quick look it is rare and costs £200, i wish i had kept mine. Googling his name will get a few blog posts with info from his book.

So the short answer is his book but it costs a fortune now, and feck knows where my copy is.

Book is called My Vertical World: Climbing the 8000-Metre Peaks. £200 now though

Cheers. £85 on Amazon is the cheapest I can find. 

[sbcmfc]

17 minutes ago, Brassrubber said:

Owner worth 2.9 billion dollars recruits top class manager who whips a £55 million pound team into shape to win the 3rd or 4th best league in Europe shock. 

You do know Ranieri got sacked from the Greece job from plumbing depths of international football that Levein, burley or Vogts couldn't even imagine.

[Angus_Young]

3 minutes ago, fringo said:

Guys like Francis were bought after they'd won the league.

It is a bit of a mixed bag but not big spending (Shilton apart). I'm only making these points because my memory as a young school kid was of a small team pieced together who did amazing things.

It is possibly the closest thing to what Leicester have done in the EPL but I do 100% agree with others here that Leicester's achievement is much, much more impressive when you compare current English clubs spending of Chelsea, Man City, Man U, Liverpool, Spurs etc etc..

Aye I think it's fair to say that the team that won that first title would fit the bill. They were 13th in division two when he took over. Within two years they had won the top division and then won the European Cup at the first attempt. 

They brought in experienced pros but also got guys like Lloyd and Barret from Liverpool and Man City reserves. They went straight into the first team at Forest. 

 

[Stapes]

35 minutes ago, phart said:

Just looked him up.

Aye and he was running like every 3 days as well  if you average it out, insane stuff.

Pretty sure he broke six world records in one day in Glasgow. One of the only men who could give him a decent race was a runner from Galashiels called Jimmy Curran. I'm writing a book on Curran.

[Charlie Endell]

45 minutes ago, Brassrubber said:

Owner worth 2.9 billion dollars recruits top class manager who whips a £55 million pound team into shape to win the 3rd or 4th best league in Europe shock. 

Ranieri's agent had a hard job touting him for the Leicester job - without him he apparently wouldn't have got near the job. Lineker's underwhelmed Tweet at the time of his appointment -"Claudio Ranieri? Really?" - summed up the thoughts of many  

Ranieri was keen to work in England again but the only interest was from Championship clubs.

 

Edited May 3, 2016 by Charlie Endell

[Toepoke]

1 hour ago, sbcmfc said:

Heard a representative from a bookies on the radio earlier saying it was the first time they'd paid out on a 5000/1 sports single.

Interesting to note the longest odds for next season are 2000-1 (new boys Burnley). I suspect the bookies may not be as generous again...

[deecie]

1 hour ago, sbcmfc said:

You do know Ranieri got sacked from the Greece job from plumbing depths of international football that Levein, burley or Vogts couldn't even imagine.

Could see Levein making Panathanikos European Champions off the back of this.

[sbcmfc]

14 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Interesting to note the longest odds for next season are 2000-1 (new boys Burnley). I suspect the bookies may not be as generous again...

Aye, they said that too.

To be fair, they said the £5 bets at 5000/1 weren't what cost them, it was the bets at 25/1, 20/1, 12/1 in December, January....

They also admitted that they weren't complaining when they beat Man city etc earlier in the season.

[Rossy]

The great thing for Leicester fans is that they've reached an unthinkable pinnacle.

It'll never get better than this, and they know it and don 't care. They're not interested in building on this success, or having to make a dynasty like Arsenal, Chelsea or Man United.

All they care about is that it happened once.

If Leicester got relegated to the 3rd division and never won another game for 30 years, thousands of Leicester fans will still die happy and contented and smiling.

That's a great place to be as a football fan. 

 

[Stu101]

4 hours ago, phart said:

Jerzy Kukuczka  was a beast, a chimney painter in the soviet union, who ate better on climbs than in real life. Had no money, he actually died cause his 2nd hand rope, bought in a market, snapped while he was climbing Lhotse's South Face (still not been done). His flight was cancelled once, so he walked to the airport he was going to in 3 days over huge peaks, solo, creating 2 new routes as he went.

Compared to the other much larger budget climbs, with better equipment, he had no specialised equipment as had no money to buy it so he had to do with what he could get his hands on.

 

I was sure I read this was to be reprinted last year. It was on a climbing blog. Will try to remember which one.

[Pool Q]

It is a truly remarkable achievement by Lecicester, and they should enjoy every moment of it. 

But the media have overreacted. It is right that they recognise it, but as too often with the British media there has been a complete failure to maintain any sense of perspective. And, over and above everything else, this win is pure gold for the marketing men of the EPL and Sky, which is just hard to take. None of which diminishes the sporting story at the heart of the story.

[Donaldo87]

1 hour ago, Toepoke said:

Interesting to note the longest odds for next season are 2000-1 (new boys Burnley). I suspect the bookies may not be as generous again...

It was 5000/1 last night. Punters must be lumping on

[fringo]

34 minutes ago, Donaldo87 said:

It was 5000/1 last night. Punters must be lumping on

I wonder if Tom Hanks has been betting as he claimed to have bet £100 on Leicester.

[vanderark14]

45 minutes ago, Pool Q said:

It is a truly remarkable achievement by Lecicester, and they should enjoy every moment of it. 

But the media have overreacted. It is right that they recognise it, but as too often with the British media there has been a complete failure to maintain any sense of perspective. And, over and above everything else, this win is pure gold for the marketing men of the EPL and Sky, which is just hard to take. None of which diminishes the sporting story at the heart of the story.

For once I have no issue with the hype, stories like this should be hyped IMO

the one thing they need to stop going on about is this best achievement in sport nonsense. That belongs to Rangers, no other team has won 54 league titles in just 4 years.

[fringo]

11 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

For once I have no issue with the hype, stories like this should be hyped IMO

the one thing they need to stop going on about is this best achievement in sport nonsense. That belongs to Rangers, no other team has won 54 league titles in just 4 years.

 

[Bannannan]

1 hour ago, Rossy said:

The great thing for Leicester fans is that they've reached an unthinkable pinnacle.

It'll never get better than this, and they know it and don 't care. They're not interested in building on this success, or having to make a dynasty like Arsenal, Chelsea or Man United.

All they care about is that it happened once.

If Leicester got relegated to the 3rd division and never won another game for 30 years, thousands of Leicester fans will still die happy and contented and smiling.

That's a great place to be as a football fan. 

 

Jep must be great for them.

[Stu101]

2 hours ago, Rossy said:

The great thing for Leicester fans is that they've reached an unthinkable pinnacle.

It'll never get better than this, and they know it and don 't care. They're not interested in building on this success, or having to make a dynasty like Arsenal, Chelsea or Man United.

All they care about is that it happened once.

If Leicester got relegated to the 3rd division and never won another game for 30 years, thousands of Leicester fans will still die happy and contented and smiling.

That's a great place to be as a football fan. 

 

Spot on.

[Orraloon]

4 hours ago, fringo said:

Here you go

 

Transfers In[edit]

Pos	Player	From	Fee	Date
DF	Kenny Burns	Birmingham City	£150,000	July 1977
GK	Peter Shilton	Stoke City	£325,000	September 1977
MF	Archie Gemmill	Derby County	£25,000 & P/E	September 1977
DF	David Needham	Queens Park Rangers	£140,000	December 1977

To give those numbers a wee bit of perspective the record transfer fee between British clubs at the time was £440,000 for Kenny Dalglish. At that time £150,000 for a defender was a lot of money.  

[Clyde1998]

32 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

To give those numbers a wee bit of perspective the record transfer fee between British clubs at the time was £440,000 for Kenny Dalglish. At that time £150,000 for a defender was a lot of money.  

An interesting look at "Transfer Inflation": http://transferpriceindex.com/2011/09/transfer-inflation-1112-update-2/

This calculation gives a 730% rate of inflation between 1993 and 2012, based on the average transfer fee in the Premier League.

I don't have time to go through every transfer in England during the 1977-78 season to work out the average transfer fee, but the "rate of inflation" between the two largest transfers in 1977 and 2015 was 12,386% (£440k for Dalgish; £54.5m for De Bruyne) - implying that £150k in today's money is around £18.6m.

[Pool Q]

9 hours ago, vanderark14 said:

For once I have no issue with the hype, stories like this should be hyped IMO

No they shouldn't. They should be reported, very prominently in this case given the scale of Leicester's achievement, but not 'hyped'.

[vanderark14]

30 minutes ago, Pool Q said:

No they shouldn't. They should be reported, very prominently in this case given the scale of Leicester's achievement, but not 'hyped'.

Well maybe you should teach us all where the line must be drawn? 

 

Usually I'd completely agree with you but this is unprecedented and I think it's refreshing to see a team like Leicester and most importantly their fans receive such hype. They deserve it.

 

[SMcoolJ]

9 hours ago, Orraloon said:

To give those numbers a wee bit of perspective the record transfer fee between British clubs at the time was £440,000 for Kenny Dalglish. At that time £150,000 for a defender was a lot of money.  

To give those numbers an even more wee bit of perspective - 40 years on, there's only 1 team in the Scottish Premiership that could afford to pay those sort of fees.

[Toepoke]

49 minutes ago, SMcoolJ said:

To give those numbers an even more wee bit of perspective - 40 years on, there's only 1 team in the Scottish Premiership that could afford to pay those sort of fees.

Although 20 years ago most of the Scottish top flight clubs could afford it. Another example of Sky/ Bosman destroying the game in Scotland...

[sbcmfc]

1 hour ago, Toepoke said:

Although 20 years ago most of the Scottish top flight clubs could afford it. Another example of Sky/ Bosman destroying the game in Scotland...

I'm not sure they could afford it.

Were willing to pay would be more accurate.

motherwell, Dundee x2, livi x6, Rangers, Hearts, Dunfermline, Airdrie all show that.