Is Donald Trump's Campaign A Spoof?

[phart]

Votes are coming in from loads of states, Alaska has only counted 44% so far, Cali is under 70%. Don't think anyone has finished counting yet. New York still have over a quarter to go.

North Carolina will be counting votes till 12th november for instance.

There was 100 million votes before election day.

The focus is on a few states due to the closeness and composition of the votes but almost every state is still counting.

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[vanderark14]

Well that trump speech was entertaining. 😂😂😂😂

[vanderark14]

5 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

is it not strange that the only votes still to come in is from big democratic cities? being on nightshift the last few nights i have been watching this on and off through each night,, i just find it bizarre that it takes this long to sort votes

If there was an election like this going on in the middle east, murica would be arming the jets and invading in the name of freedom and democracy 😂

[euan2020]

23 hours ago, phart said:

I've never met a "Trump supporter" in real life only ever encountered them online. Not that it ever comes up in conversation anyway, i've not straw polled people I meet.

We had the "fiasco" over his golf course back in the day which hardly endeared him.

feck - the whole street here is full of them with their posters up - even the Nigerian lad from work is a Trumper 

 

[Toepoke]

6 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

biden will be sworn in and will make mess of thing no question of that, no chance he will be a two term president. i believe the next president after him will be a woman and a republican one at that,, Kayleigh McEnany or ivank trump 😉

I would say the odds would be against Biden standing again aged 82 anyway.

 

[aaid]

6 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

is it not strange that the only votes still to come in is from big democratic cities? being on nightshift the last few nights i have been watching this on and off through each night,, i just find it bizarre that it takes this long to sort votes

As others have pointed out, there are votes being counted all over the country but in the majority of states, because one or other is so far ahead, the remaining votes won’t impact the result so they’ve already been “called”. 

The actual final result won’t be known until later in the month when each state certifies their results.  However unless it comes down to a single state and a handful of votes then we should know who the winner will be at some point today.  The way things are going in Pennsylvania and in particular, Philadelphia, Biden should overtake Trump soon and that will never that. 

The reason why some states have been able to call it earlier is because each state is responsible for both the rules on how the election is run and for carrying it out. 

So for example, Florida was able to wrap up really quickly because their laws allow them to count postal votes on advance of Election Day.  In contrast, in Pennsylvania, because of the expected high number of postal votes due to COVID, the state election authorities wanted to change the law to allow them to do the same but the *Republican* legislature blocked that so they couldn’t start counting until the polls closed. 

In Pennsylvania they decided to count all the polling station votes first and then the postal votes. Walk-in voting heavily favours Trump, Mail-in favours Trump, so that’s why Trump has such an early lead and it’s been steadily cut since they started on the postal votes which are 80-90% for Biden. 

In contrast in Ohio they did it the other way around and counted the postal votes first so early on it looked like Biden might win but Trump went on to win pretty comfortably. 

Its not like the UK where every count is done in exactly the same way and according to the same rules. 

[Toepoke]

7 minutes ago, aaid said:

In Pennsylvania they decided to count all the polling station votes first and then the postal votes. Walk-in voting heavily favours Trump, Mail-in favours Trump, so that’s why Trump has such an early lead

Mail in favours Biden?

Good points though. It's a bit like if Scotland elected Westminster MPs by PR whereas England still used FPTP.

 

[aaid]

5 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Mail in favours Biden?

Good points though. It's a bit like if Scotland elected Westminster MPs by PR whereas England still used FPTP.

 

Mail- in heavily favours Biden for a few reasons, some relating specifically to the pandemic and others because of the demographics. 

Cities tend to be heavily Democrat, probably for similar reasons cities in England tend to favour Labour.  

The process of voting in person in the US is a lot more onerous than it is here, particularly in cities, it takes a long time. So in the middle of a pandemic, you’re not going to want to stand in a queue for hours to vote if you can do it by post. 

Then you have Trump actively encouraging his base not to vote by mail but in person and that pretty much explains it. 

Just to clarify, the voting system is the same across the country - it’s essentially FPTP on steroids - it’s the rules about who and how the vote is run that is down to the states. For example, most - I guess all - states use a mechanical or electronic process for in person voting but there are a number of different systems that are used.  

There’s Federal laws that underpin the system but that’s largely about ensuring the system is constitutional but within that the states have a lot of leeway. 

Im not sure if the voting age is something States can vary, probably not, but a better analogy that FPTP/PR would be if Scotland allowed 16-18 year olds to vote in a UK GE but the rest of the country doesn’t. 

Anyway, Biden has just gone ahead in Georgia. If that sticks then it means Trump cannot win. The best he can do if he picks up all the other states is 269 which would be a tie. 

[TDYER63]

8 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

there are definitely a lot on the go up here, maybe to do with culture. Its a hard working area and in general affluent. Many work in the oil and gas industry and many at the fishing,, the torys up here are vicious, why? i have no idea but in my experience if you are a tory here you like trump 

Ever thought of relocating 🙂

[ParisInAKilt]

Imagine cheering a Trump or Biden victory, some world 

[Toepoke]

In this case I think it's a Trump defeat that's being cheered...

 

[ThistleWhistle]

Biden gone ahead in Pennsylvania too now.  

Georgia he's about 1k up with only 8k to count plus about 8k overseas/army.  Oddschecker have him 1/18 on to win - would have thought Trump would get a big chunk of the army vote.  

[phart]

1 minute ago, ThistleWhistle said:

Biden gone ahead in Pennsylvania too now.  

Georgia he's about 1k up with only 8k to count plus about 8k overseas/army.  Oddschecker have him 1/18 on to win - would have thought Trump would get a big chunk of the army vote.  

PA seals it regardless of what happens elsewhere and Biden's lead there is going to increase according to local experts cause of the demogaphic of votes.

[phart]

I see Steve Bannon suspended from Twitter for talking about beheading Dr Fauci and the director of the FBI.

 

[kumnio]

4 minutes ago, phart said:

I see Steve Bannon suspended from Twitter for talking about beheading Dr Fauci and the director of the FBI.

 

I watched that last night, unbelievable.

He must still be on bail for the dodgy money going missing, he surely wont get away with this. Of course he will.

[ParisInAKilt]

1 hour ago, Toepoke said:

In this case I think it's a Trump defeat that's being cheered...

 

Aye but Biden is a horrible cunt 

[ThistleWhistle]

30 minutes ago, phart said:

PA seals it regardless of what happens elsewhere and Biden's lead there is going to increase according to local experts cause of the demogaphic of votes.

Its looking like he could win by a chunky margin.  Apart from Trump and his inner circle is there much noise from other Republicans around what they'll do?  Read a couple of things where they were expecting them to accept it once the States declared and work to getting him out but given Trump's demented twitter ramblings the reaction could be horrendous.     

[ErsatzThistle]

Bloody hell, scummy Trump supporters turning up with automatic weapons at the Arizona count. Fucks sake. 

[phart]

1 hour ago, ThistleWhistle said:

Its looking like he could win by a chunky margin.  Apart from Trump and his inner circle is there much noise from other Republicans around what they'll do?  Read a couple of things where they were expecting them to accept it once the States declared and work to getting him out but given Trump's demented twitter ramblings the reaction could be horrendous.     

Seems Repubs are quite happy, probably retain the senate, made inroads into the house, got their supreme court justice appointed. Now they can jettison trump. Biden aint lasting 8 years, Dems are going to have to action the huge stimulus package since Trump never, that can be used as fodder for next election. These political animals are ruthless!

Quite a few senior ones have rejected his claims outright. Christie, Mitch Mcconnel etc.

 

[ThistleWhistle]

18 minutes ago, phart said:

Seems Repubs are quite happy, probably retain the senate, made inroads into the house, got their supreme court justice appointed. Now they can jettison trump. Biden aint lasting 8 years, Dems are going to have to action the huge stimulus package since Trump never, that can be used as fodder for next election. These political animals are ruthless!

Quite a few senior ones have rejected his claims outright. Christie, Mitch Mcconnel etc.

 

He's pretty much ****ed then if Mitch McConnel isn't backing him. 

Would be surprised if Biden lasts more than two years to be honest which is mental really but pales into insignificance compared to Trump going full despot.  Be interesting to see what happens when/if Kamala Harris takes over as could sooth troubled waters or make things even worse.  

[wheres the pies]

See the right wing English media going into meltdown at the thought of a Biden win pleasing 

[ErsatzThistle]

7 minutes ago, wheres the pies said:

See the right wing English media going into meltdown at the thought of a Biden win pleasing 

They clearly don't know that during the Falklands War, Biden was arguably the most pro-British bloke in Washington.

 

[phart]

19 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said:

He's pretty much ****ed then if Mitch McConnel isn't backing him. 

Would be surprised if Biden lasts more than two years to be honest which is mental really but pales into insignificance compared to Trump going full despot.  Be interesting to see what happens when/if Kamala Harris takes over as could sooth troubled waters or make things even worse.  

There's probably two run offs in Georgia to decide who controls the senate. Poor Georgians are going to have another 9 weeks of political adverts, non-stop polling etc.

McConell has supported the possibility of legal challenge on a recount basis, just not any of the more outlandish stop counting claims. However that was in the context when we were looking at a 270-268 split which isn't happening now cause of PA. Georgia will have an automatic recount. The Nevada expert has called that for Biden pretty much, Arizona the Maricopa county ballots were barely for Trump and that was where he was meant to rein in the 20k deficit.

[wheres the pies]

6 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said:

They clearly don't know that during the Falklands War, Biden was arguably the most pro-British bloke in Washington.

 

Aye the biggest fear now for murdoch and co is brexit that’s the be all and end all for them