Orraloon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Tory trap = responsibility which is ducked. "We need money". You could raise more by present council tax or a replacement, APD, future income tax, cut (or raise welfare payments via discretionary) including winter fuel allowance, free bus travel for over 60's, bring back prescription fees, bring in graduate tax, bridge tolls, road tolls even, Stamp Tax, business rates. "We need money" No action. No responsibility. No concern or governance. Looking forward to middle class bribes from Swinney. Or we could just back to Victorian times and throw anybody who is too old, or unable to to work, into to workhouse until they die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 They could use their tax raising powers or even allow an increase in council tax the freezing of which has become dogmatic and damaging. The main problem I see with allowing councils to increase council tax, is that council tax only accounts for less than 15% of their total budget. If they wanted to increase their total budget by say 10% they would need to increase council tax by about 80%. I am fairly sure that isn't going to be popular. Do you know how much extra these councils are hoping to raise if they did increase council tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Tory trap = responsibility which is ducked. "We need money". You could raise more by present council tax or a replacement, APD, future income tax, cut (or raise welfare payments via discretionary) including winter fuel allowance, free bus travel for over 60's, bring back prescription fees, bring in graduate tax, bridge tolls, road tolls even, Stamp Tax, business rates. "We need money" No action. No responsibility. No concern or governance. Looking forward to middle class bribes from Swinney. Or we could not pay for Trident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Or we could not pay for Trident. That's a deterrent against terrorism and attacks...oh wait. Actually it's a deterrent against Vikings. No Vikings have shown up since we got nuclear weapons. Pretty conclusive proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Or we could just back to Victorian times and throw anybody who is too old, or unable to to work, into to workhouse until they die. Which is not actually what Alan is suggesting but lets give an emotive response which has nothing to do with the suggestion that they exercise some of the powers they have. Or we could not pay for Trident. Not in the Scottish Government's control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Busy because funding has been cut for processing FOI requests as the volume of requests has risen? That's another question to ask. IIRC Lord Pishy Breeks put in a FOI every day while he was in Holyrude... for the most frivolous of things. perhaps this has caused the cost to be examined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's a deterrent against terrorism and attacks...oh wait. Actually it's a deterrent against Vikings. No Vikings have shown up since we got nuclear weapons. Pretty conclusive proof. Yep, Vikings. And unicorns. Vikings and unicorns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Tory trap = responsibility which is ducked. "We need money". You could raise more by present council tax or a replacement, APD, future income tax, cut (or raise welfare payments via discretionary) including winter fuel allowance, free bus travel for over 60's, bring back prescription fees, bring in graduate tax, bridge tolls, road tolls even, Stamp Tax, business rates. "We need money" No action. No responsibility. No concern or governance. Looking forward to middle class bribes from Swinney. Or we could keep ALL the money raised and earned in Scotland in Scotland, instead of handing it all over then begging for some back, and just run our own affairs like most other countries..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Which is not actually what Alan is suggesting but lets give an emotive response which has nothing to do with the suggestion that they exercise some of the powers they have. Not in the Scottish Government's control. They are exercising the powers they have.They might not be exercising them the way you and Alan want them to, but you can vote for somebody else if if you're not happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Which is not actually what Alan is suggesting I know it isn't. It's my suggestion. I just think it as sensible a suggestion as his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I know it isn't. It's my suggestion. I just think it as sensible a suggestion as his. I want to use all the powers available in Holyrood. I want a party that says it is to the left to action that and fund services instead of cutting them ala Forth Road Bridge. The SNP have really fecked up. Removed tolls, cut funding, gambled on new bridge being ready. You are talking about Victorian period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) The SNP have really fecked up. Removed tolls, cut funding, gambled on new bridge being ready. That is just nonsense, although it aligns with the Daily Mail of course. Acquaint yourself with the actual facts. If anyone is to blame (and I don't really think there is any blame due) it is Labour who tried to prevent there ever being a new bridge, but as for the current brief closure, to blame the SNP government is like saying that you're to blame for getting a puncture yesterday because you didn't replace all the tyres on your car last month. Edited December 16, 2015 by Alibi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I want to use all the powers available in Holyrood. I want a party that says it is to the left to action that and fund services instead of cutting them ala Forth Road Bridge. The SNP have really fecked up. Removed tolls, cut funding, gambled on new bridge being ready. You are talking about Victorian period. How exactly would the problem with the old bridge have been fixed without it being closed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm not convinced throwing more money at the bridge would have made any difference to the part that broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 How exactly would the problem with the old bridge have been fixed without it being closed? If properly maintained the problem would have arisen because a robust pre-maintenance regime would have been in place to replace parts thought to have a finite life before that finite lifetime was reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 If properly maintained the problem would have arisen because a robust pre-maintenance regime would have been in place to replace parts thought to have a finite life before that finite lifetime was reached. That was already done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 That was already done. So the part that failed had been replaced several times over the lifetime of the bridge and FA was done of the parts that were removed to assess the their condition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 So the part that failed had been replaced several times over the lifetime of the bridge and FA was done of the parts that were removed to assess the their condition? No, you have misunderstood what failed on the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 No, you have misunderstood what failed on the bridge. I haven't misunderstood anything though you don't seem to understand the concept of preventive maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I haven't misunderstood anything though you don't seem to understand the concept of preventive maintenance. You have and I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 You have and I do. So why didn't the PM regime stop there being a failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 So which of you can give a full and proper description of preventative maintenance from the point of view of a civil engineer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I haven't misunderstood anything though you don't seem to understand the concept of preventive maintenance. Sounds like this is your idea of preventative maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 So why didn't the PM regime stop there being a failure? Because the bridge is poorly designed and not fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Sounds like this is your idea of preventative maintenance. That's essentially what PM is. Edited December 16, 2015 by Larky Masher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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