Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Nope. The majority of the economic losses are lost productivity of office workers. Factor of our service based economy. The delivery of goods by HGV is also part of our service based economy and every journey up and down the east coast now takes longer and incurs higher wage, fuel and maintenance costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) I'd imagine it's common practice in almost every industry. In software industry, there's all kinds of processes and techniques for estimating effort and risk. Anyone who takes the best case scenario is an idiot destined for failure. I spent about a year working in R&D for an Engineering Firm and for unapparent reasons every project had to have a "Completion Date", so they were all stated as things like 08/12/2187. Very bizarre. Project came in before schedule though. Edited December 22, 2015 by deecie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I see Scotrail are retaining the early service from Fife. That's a start but Scotrail could try to retain more of additional services added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The delivery of goods by HGV is also part of our service based economy and every journey up and down the east coast now takes longer and incurs higher wage, fuel and maintenance costs. Good. Use more petrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Good. Use more petrol. Just what the environment needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Depends on the finer detail. If they've sacrificed HGV access in order to give early access to lighter vehicles, it would be mad. Just as mad as it would be to keep bridge closed unnecessarily because HGVs were out of bounds. My guess is they've got the most important fixes done, with some delay to the last 10% and came to a reasonable compromise. I expect they've taken the same approach with the final work and we'll see bridge fully reopened ahead of schedule all things being well, although I expect there might be overnight closures. All in all, it seems a job pretty well done. Media and unionists will hammer the HGV point though and look completely out of touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The delivery of goods by HGV is also part of our service based economy and every journey up and down the east coast now takes longer and incurs higher wage, fuel and maintenance costs. Far more of our service based economy is in banking and finance. lost productivity in those areas will be having a larger impact than the HGV rerouting. Not saying the HGVs are insignificant by any means, just that the main economic impact of any transport problems is now more to do with transport of workers than transport of goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 That's a start but Scotrail could try to retain more of additional services added. I suspect that would need a bit more planning and would be something they look to do - if at all - when the new timetables come out. Any additional services or rolling stock they are are adding to increase the size of trains will be done out of contingency which is not something you can do indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Depends on the finer detail. If they've sacrificed HGV access in order to give early access to lighter vehicles, it would be mad. Just as mad as it would be to keep bridge closed unnecessarily because HGVs were out of bounds. My guess is they've got the most important fixes done, with some delay to the last 10% and came to a reasonable compromise. I expect they've taken the same approach with the final work and we'll see bridge fully reopened ahead of schedule all things being well, although I expect there might be overnight closures. All in all, it seems a job pretty well done. Media and unionists will hammer the HGV point though and look completely out of touch. From what I've read its a temporary fix in place to address the immediate issues and get the bridge reopened to all but HGVs with a permanent fix happening over the next couple of months which will mean that they don't need to close the bridge although I think it will be restricted overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Far more of our service based economy is in banking and finance. lost productivity in those areas will be having a larger impact than the HGV rerouting. Not saying the HGVs are insignificant by any means, just that the main economic impact of any transport problems is now more to do with transport of workers than transport of goods. Most of the work in the service based economy in banking and finance is fully automated and in many cases work could be carried out by workers logging in remotely from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Most of the work in the service based economy in banking and finance is fully automated and in many cases work could be carried out by workers logging in remotely from home. Not the case. In any large office in a financial company you use specialist software either continuously or regularly throughout the day and it won't be replicated at home. Email systems and office yes, but most don't have a full desktop emulation package (and a lot of software wouldn't work on it even if it did. Helpdesks also need to be covered on site because of the tie in between telephony automation and the user's PC. And if it's fully automated why do you need workers in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Not the case. In any large office in a financial company you use specialist software either continuously or regularly throughout the day and it won't be replicated at home. Email systems and office yes, but most don't have a full desktop emulation package (and a lot of software wouldn't work on it even if it did. Helpdesks also need to be covered on site because of the tie in between telephony automation and the user's PC. And if it's fully automated why do you need workers in the first place. I didn't state all the work was automated or that all the work could be done from home but there's enough that could be dome remotely to mitigate some of the economic impact of the bridge closure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Considering what i thought when it first happened this is an excellent piece of work to get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I didn't state all the work was automated or that all the work could be done from home but there's enough that could be dome remotely to mitigate some of the economic impact of the bridge closure. Mitigation -> not working in the most efficient way -> loss of productivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Mitigation -> not working in the most efficient way -> loss of productivity. What dictionary are you using? mitigate something (formal) to make something less harmful, serious, etc. synonym alleviate action to mitigate poverty Soil erosion was mitigated by the planting of trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What dictionary are you using? mitigate something (formal) to make something less harmful, serious, etc. synonym alleviate action to mitigate poverty Soil erosion was mitigated by the planting of trees. In world of warcraft you use active mitigation to mitigate damage coming in, i.e. make it less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Another SNP project completed ahead of schedule and under budget. I told you this would happen but nobody would believe me. The unionists will be seething I think they should keep it closed to HGVs forever. It was probably them that caused the damage in the first place. Edited December 22, 2015 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Did the SG not say that the bridge would be open to all traffic on Jan 4 ? Seems that HGVs will be off until mid Feb at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Another SNP project completed ahead of schedule and under budget. I told you this would happen but nobody would believe me. The unionists will be seething I think they should keep it closed to HGVs forever. It was probably them that caused the damage in the first place. How do you know it was under budget given the work isn't finished? And it was more likely to be the removal of the tolls and the increase in the traffic that bought which was the root cause/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Another SNP project completed ahead of schedule and under budget. I told you this would happen but nobody would believe me. The unionists will be seething I think they should keep it closed to HGVs forever. It was probably them that caused the damage in the first place. Yep another example of SNP cuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yep another example of SNP cuts! Some folk find it really hard to disguise their hatred of SNP cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Another SNP project completed ahead of schedule and under budget. I told you this would happen but nobody would believe me. The unionists will be seething I think they should keep it closed to HGVs forever. It was probably them that caused the damage in the first place. I don't think the sitting party had much affect on the outcome.Highly competent Engineers working through the night in awful conditions should probably get the nod first. It is sad though that folk would want it to feck up for political gain. I was wrong about the length it would take, not surprising considering i know feck all about bridge repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 How do you know it was under budget given the work isn't finished? And it was more likely to be the removal of the tolls and the increase in the traffic that bought which was the root cause/ The budget is 108% of whatever the work costs. Don't you know how SNP budgets work? Aye, all the extra weight of those £1 coins travelling across the bridge when they should have been left at one end, probably made all the difference. The pound coin that broke the bridge's back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Most of the work in the service based economy in banking and finance is fully automated and in many cases work could be carried out by workers logging in remotely from home. I didn't state all the work was automated or that all the work could be done from home but there's enough that could be dome remotely to mitigate some of the economic impact of the bridge closure. Most and much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I don't think the sitting party had much affect on the outcome.Highly competent Engineers working through the night in awful conditions should probably get the nod first. It is sad though that folk would want it to feck up for political gain. I was wrong about the length it would take, not surprising considering i know feck all about bridge repair. Aye, It's clearly a bit daft to praise the SNP for fixing the bridge when they had very little do do with fixing it. Just as it was equally daft to try to blame the SNP for breaking it in the first place. It shouldn't stop us having a laugh at the unionist politicians and the unionist media who seem to have no better sticks to hit the SNP with. They are in a bit of a sorry state. It's hard not to feel sorry for them but I'll try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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