Orraloon Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 No. They didn't endorse a candidate, but some Corbyn supporting members claim they received emails from GMB saying to vote Burnham... But that could just be shenanigans on the part of the 'Corbynistas', as they'd have been much more likely to call for Kendall. Corbyno Sunrise - that's got a good sound to it. Of course we all know what happened to Sandino, maybe Corbyn should be watching his back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 An excellent article by Ponsonby http://ponsonbypost.com/index.php/comment/41-good-morning-scotland-the-propaganda-continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 No. They didn't endorse a candidate, but some Corbyn supporting members claim they received emails from GMB saying to vote Burnham... But that could just be shenanigans on the part of the 'Corbynistas', as they'd have been much more likely to call for Kendall. A major flaw of the hands-off approach to policy making which Corbyn appears to have adopted is that it enables Blairites, via tame unions like GMB and Community, to get their foot in the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Seems like a good opportunity to post this... Didn't realise that clip didn't have the conclusion of the argument. Just been shown on Newsnight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Why would these idiots even discuss pressing the red button at the labour party convention.Why are these labour clowns discussing pressing the red button which would in fact destroy man kind.It is also absolutely staggering that the tory government want to spend 100 billion english pounds on a weapon of mass destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Didn't realise that clip didn't have the conclusion of the argument. Just been shown on Newsnight! Brilliant! Thanks for posting those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Why would these idiots even discuss pressing the red button at the labour party convention.Why are these labour clowns discussing pressing the red button which would in fact destroy man kind.It is also absolutely staggering that the tory government want to spend 100 billion english pounds on a weapon of mass destruction. That bit is easy to explain . The Tories and their already very rich Tory pals a expecting to pocket quite a large chink of that money for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 What a fecking joke. On the one hand the Daily Mail runs a scare story today about Isil wanting a nuclear holocaust. At the same time people who are supposedly appalled at Isil's lack of humanity and basic empathy for other human beings give Corbyn pelters for saying he wouldn't cause a nuclear holocaust... The UK is one sick of a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 WTF Wasn't much of a Corbyn bounce in the six Scottish council by elections last night. Seven seats vacant and six SNP victories with increased majorities, an independent won the other. Labour vote decreased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Superb results last night then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Not really, turnout was low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 When the fun stops .... http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/98120/simon-danczuk-provokes-storm-of-criticism-for-wrongly-accusing-jeremy-corbyn-of-trying-to-support-terrorism http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/simon-danczuk-mp-rochdale-suspended-from-labour-party-after-sending-sexually-explicit-messages-to-a6791756.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/simon-danczuk-mp-rochdale-suspended-from-labour-party-after-sending-sexually-explicit-messages-to-a6791756.html If you're doing your upmost to get yourself thrown out of your party to portray yourself as the victim of an autocratic leader, best not to also get caught out being a sad old pervert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 If you're doing your upmost to get yourself thrown out of your party to portray yourself as the victim of an autocratic leader, best not to also get caught out being a sad old pervert. She asks him for a job then he goes right into this. Must be his first time doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Labour seem to be descending into a full-blown civil war between the Corbynistas and Blairites (see yesterday's spat between Mandy and Diane Abbott in the Guardian) with positions becoming increasingly embittered and entrenched, and each side deaf to the other's arguments. The Blairites seem unrelentingly determined to undermine their leader and spend more energy attacking him rather than the Tories. It looks increasingly likely that the right wing of the Labour party and their media chums will not allow Corbyn anything like a fair, clear run at the election. Barring some dramatic upheaval, the Great British Public won't be putting Corbyn into no.10. I'm coming round to thinking the best hope for the left is to bring through a new person, without the baggage of JC, someone who is (dare I say) a better leader, and with broader appeal... While it's easy to sympathise with Corbyn, it's difficult to see the left's reaction winning over new people rather than simply preaching to the converted - I'm not sure how many new friends they (Jez, John, Diane, Ken) have made from those (ex) LibDem or Tory or floating voters they need to convince to win the election. There could be parallels here with how to win over or avoid alienating people on the matter of independence.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That's cause folk like Mandelson were never "labour" they answer to different masters, and their masters(big business/banking, arms dealers, military industrial complex) don't want Corbyn anywhere near power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/02/jeremy-corbyn-snap-reshuffle-hilary-benn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I think the problem is that Corbyns policies don't reflect the interests of corporate Britain, hence why he's attacked from all sides including his own party. He could be replaced by someone younger and with less "baggage" but the exact same thing would happen. He may be a socialist but a lot of his policies aren't that radicle and according to polls would appeal to voters across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That's cause folk like Mandelson were never "labour" they answer to different masters, and their masters(big business/banking, arms dealers, military industrial complex) don't want Corbyn anywhere near power. It's amazing how many on here don't realise this after the Indy referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I take the general points above but He may be a socialist but a lot of his policies aren't that radicle and according to polls would appeal to voters across the board. therein lies the way ahead I was getting at - a lot of his policies are popular and not that 'socialist' but rightly or wrongly (wrongly, if you prefer) he is too easily painted as the old hard left, pacifist, terrorist-sympathising, unpatriotic republican, etc. Even if we agreed most of these (smears apart) are good things, and that the Establishment is a collective , it's becoming vanishingly unlikely that such a man would be voted through the door of no. 10. I think a lot of people just don't want to believe this to be so, or at least don't attempt to convince that it isn't so, so they fight back by saying why Jeremy is right and New Labour are wrong, but even if that's accepted, I don;t see it getting them nearer winning the UK GE. When i say someone new this may need to be someone between Blair and Corbyn - I don't know the current crop but maybe some like John Smith, or even a Labour equivalent of Caroline Lucas or even (dare I say) Nicola Sturgeon who is competent enough and unscary enough to run a government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Labour seem to be descending into a full-blown civil war between the Corbynistas and Blairites (see yesterday's spat between Mandy and Diane Abbott in the Guardian) with positions becoming increasingly embittered and entrenched, and each side deaf to the other's arguments. The Blairites seem unrelentingly determined to undermine their leader and spend more energy attacking him rather than the Tories. It looks increasingly likely that the right wing of the Labour party and their media chums will not allow Corbyn anything like a fair, clear run at the election. Barring some dramatic upheaval, the Great British Public won't be putting Corbyn into no.10. I'm coming round to thinking the best hope for the left is to bring through a new person, without the baggage of JC, someone who is (dare I say) a better leader, and with broader appeal... While it's easy to sympathise with Corbyn, it's difficult to see the left's reaction winning over new people rather than simply preaching to the converted - I'm not sure how many new friends they (Jez, John, Diane, Ken) have made from those (ex) LibDem or Tory or floating voters they need to convince to win the election. There could be parallels here with how to win over or avoid alienating people on the matter of independence.... They are not the folk he needs to target. About 15 million folk didn't bother to vote at the last election. He needs to convince about 3 or 4 million of them that he is offering something different and persuade them to get out to the ballot boxes and vote for him. I don't think he will manage it though. He is too weak to take on the Blairites head on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Looks like even Ian Smart has given up on Labour. To me this sounds like he would rather we vote Tory than SNP. https://archive.is/7oNKt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 They are not the folk he needs to target. About 15 million folk didn't bother to vote at the last election. He needs to convince about 3 or 4 million of them that he is offering something different and persuade them to get out to the ballot boxes and vote for him. I don't think he will manage it though. He is too weak to take on the Blairites head on. i know what you mean but surely he has to make some dent in the existing voters... every Tory vote converted is like doubling the value of the vote in terms of getting closer. As I understand it there will be boundary changes which make it difficult even for Labour to stand still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Looks like even Ian Smart has given up on Labour. To me this sounds like he would rather we vote Tory than SNP. https://archive.is/7oNKt That's intriguing, I wonder if most people reading that will be nationalists, not sure who else is paying attention. It's got a strange flavour to it though, reminds me of a sense of willing capitulation, is it in 1984, where they end up loving Big Brother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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