Third Lanark Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 How is Burgess actually eligible for Oz? Thought the 5 year rule only applied to UK. His grandfather was the goalie Campbell forsyth I think, and his parents were Scottish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 How is Burgess actually eligible for Oz? Thought the 5 year rule only applied to UK. His grandfather was the goalie Campbell forsyth I think, and his parents were Scottish. Lived there long enough to obtain citizenship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 How is Burgess actually eligible for Oz? Thought the 5 year rule only applied to UK. His grandfather was the goalie Campbell forsyth I think, and his parents were Scottish. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Part of Burgess's DR interview, so a load of bullsh*t really; Burgess has been involved with the Under-20s squad at the ADO Den Hagg Youth tournament in Holland and is adamant his dual nationality hasn’t diluted his passion for Scotland. Grandfather Campbell Forsyth won four Scots caps as a keeper in the 1960s and Burgess is thrilled to follow in his footsteps and pull on the famous dark blue jersey. He said: “I have an Australian passport as I have been there for a while. That’s what I consider myself to be. “At the moment I’m just enjoying my football. I’ve always wanted to play for Scotland and I’m happy to be chosen. “Until anything changes then I’m happy and I don’t want to think about it too much. When I was a kid I went to just about every Scotland home game with my dad. “I loved seeing all the great fans at Hampden and to be a part of that was amazing. We went to a few qualifiers and I remember watching James McFadden scoring that famous goal against France in Paris on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Part of Burgess's DR interview, so a load of bullsh*t really; Burgess has been involved with the Under-20s squad at the ADO Den Hagg Youth tournament in Holland and is adamant his dual nationality hasn’t diluted his passion for Scotland. Grandfather Campbell Forsyth won four Scots caps as a keeper in the 1960s and Burgess is thrilled to follow in his footsteps and pull on the famous dark blue jersey. He said: “I have an Australian passport as I have been there for a while. That’s what I consider myself to be. “At the moment I’m just enjoying my football. I’ve always wanted to play for Scotland and I’m happy to be chosen. “Until anything changes then I’m happy and I don’t want to think about it too much. When I was a kid I went to just about every Scotland home game with my dad. “I loved seeing all the great fans at Hampden and to be a part of that was amazing. We went to a few qualifiers and I remember watching James McFadden scoring that famous goal against France in Paris on TV. This is in its way even more sickening than the decision of McGreedy and McCarthy to play for their grandad's country. No sentiment, just a commercial decision because he thinks Oz will get to World Cups. Ach, when we issue passports maybe we can entice a natural born Australian to us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 This is in its way even more sickening than the decision of McGreedy and McCarthy to play for their grandad's country. No sentiment, just a commercial decision because he thinks Oz will get to World Cups. Ach, when we issue passports maybe we can entice a natural born Australian to us... He said: I have an Australian passport as I have been there for a while. Thats what I consider myself to be." He considers himself Australian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 He said: I have an Australian passport as I have been there for a while. Thats what I consider myself to be." He considers himself Australian In that respect, he should have never played for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 In that respect, he should have never played for us I know. Sadly this goes on a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I know. Sadly this goes on a lot. and yet he went to various qualifiers as a boy goes away for 5 years and doesn't want to know. Bit of an oddball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Guaranteed World Cup football I guess. If that's his attitude then weer better off without him. Shame though we really need some good centre halves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 If he's 18 now, joined Fulham in 2011 and left Scotland when he was 11 how is he eligible for Australia? that's only 4 years, FIFA rules stipulate you have to have don a minimum of 5 years residency before you are allowed to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 If he's 18 now, joined Fulham in 2011 and left Scotland when he was 11 how is he eligible for Australia? that's only 4 years, FIFA rules stipulate you have to have don a minimum of 5 years residency before you are allowed to play. That's the 'home nations' rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) That's the 'home nations' rule. It isn't, you can get a passport whenever you are eligible for a passport in that country but you cannot play for that country until you have completed 5 years of residency. This has been the rule for a number of years as Middle eastern and African countries where giving players passports who'd only been in the country a few months and they were fielding teams with Brazilians. There are a few countries atm who are wanting it put down to 3 years (maybe it has been haven't checked). Fifa have allowed a few exceptions over the years but generally its 5 years residency. Edited September 13, 2014 by Blantyre_Braveheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I, too, left Scotland with Scottish parents, albeit to come to Eng. No way would I ever consider myself English. British, yes, at least up until now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 If it's the case that he hasn't completed 5 years of Oz residency then it should be challenged legally. The next time we find a 6' 4" left sided centre half who can play left back as well and show a bit of ball-playing composure, then we should tie him down forever at 18 by stuffing him in the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmcb Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Shame about Gilmour!! He sounds a real talent, I read that he is often included in the Arsenal first team training games as a 15yr old. Sure I seen him a squad as a sub over the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davew Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sorry to bring this up again, but Cameron Burgess just signed for Ross County till the end of the season. I can't figure out where the f*** he's coming from He said: “I have an Australian passport as I have been there for a while. That’s what I consider myself to be. “At the moment I’m just enjoying my football. I’ve always wanted to play for Scotland and I’m happy to be chosen. “Until anything changes then I’m happy and I don’t want to think about it too much. When I was a kid I went to just about every Scotland home game with my dad. “I loved seeing all the great fans at Hampden and to be a part of that was amazing. We went to a few qualifiers and I remember watching James McFadden scoring that famous goal against France in Paris on TV. “I had been to the Lithuania game before that with my cousin and I had the face paint on plus all the flags. “I’ve only been involved once with Scotland and that was a couple of months ago with the Under-18s in Israel. “It’s all pretty new and it’s a huge bonus to be involved. I’m buzzing about it. It’s the end of the season but I’m not tired. “I always look forward to playing games and this is a great tournament to be involved in.” After training with Celtic and Aberdeen as a child, Burgess continued his progress in his adopted homeland before being spotted by Fulham. The Burgess family are steeped in the tradition of pro football with grandfather Forsyth turning out for St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Southampton as well as gaining international recognition. Dad Stuart also played for Albion Rovers, East Fife, Falkirk and Kilmarnock and Burgess admits his old man has been a major influence on career. He said: “It’s great to have the knowledge from him especially as he played in the same position as me and he gives me a bit of coaching. “Sometimes his advice is a bit tough to take on board as he’s my dad but it’s good having someone to go back to as a reference point. “I also see my grandfather quite a lot and he’s always asking how I’m getting on with my football. “My dad tells me how proud he is of my involvement with Scotland and it’s great to have that support.” I'm struggling to get my head round it tbh. It sounds like he comes from a big Scotland supporting family, grew up supporting Scotland himself, and yet he spends a couple of years in Australia, and now he considers himself Australian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I'm struggling to care. Cameron Burgess can do whatever he likes. Each to their own. We'll be just fine and the idea that we should legally challenge his right to play for Oz, presumably so we can MAKE him play for Scotland, is ridiculous. Particularly when so many on here complain about people who want to play for Scotland but where born in the wrong place. I'm doubting that this is a massive issue within the international youth development scene for us tbh. Yeah, a few have opted to go elsewhere. That's probably always been the case, it's just football is so much more hyped and over analysed now, so you're actually hearing about it more. By contrast, it seems like we've got more talented youngsters coming thru than we've had for a long time, so what all this bed-wetting's about I don't know. We'll be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisEDI Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 as mentioned by someone on here previously the fact that on international breaks he can go to australia to spend time with his family and friends is probably a big factor and of course guaranteed WC qualification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I remember his dad playing for Killie. I feel old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caledonian1 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 badger I remember his dad playing for Killie. I feel old. I played with his Dad in an over 35's league a good few years ago......he was absolutely massive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I played with his Dad in an over 35's league a good few years ago......he was absolutely massive Do you want to rephrase that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do you want to rephrase that? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kps022000 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Having watched Burgess a few times over the last wee while we need not concern ourselves with him picking Oz over Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Charlie Gilmour has changed his Twitter profile back to Scottish footballer and seems to be posting a lot of Scottish related stuff on his Instagram feed. Change of heart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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