tartandon Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Collins appears more cultured and ambitious to most because he went to France and experienced a different way of life. Also, when he left Scotland he stayed away, moving to England after Monaco, rather than returning to Scotland. There is a perception that Ferguson never wanted to leave his comfort zone of Ibrox, and never really showed the ambition to try new things and immediately returned to Ibrox as soon as the opportunity arose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 with Ferguson it's frustrating that he never fulfilled the potential he showed in 1999-2000. He put the wife and family first didn't he? not wanting to move them away from Hamilton? It would be easy to criticise that but I've never been put in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 with Ferguson it's frustrating that he never fulfilled the potential he showed in 1999-2000. He put the wife and family first didn't he? not wanting to move them away from Hamilton? It would be easy to criticise that but I've never been put in that position. They struggled quite badly when they first moved. I know that it was a huge factor in him coming back up the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallus79 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 He done a really good interview for BBC radio Scotland. (probably over a year ago). He got asked about his behaviour after boozegate. He admitted his regret and that he was a Pratt. But he still has no idea why he behaved that way. I think its something that will always haunt him, he was cringing just talking about it. Never understood the Ned comments? He comes across in interviews softly spoken and polite. I assume it may be because he was such a moaner on the pitch. Would'nt mind if Strachan invited him to the next squad meeting to help out with coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The best player of the most recent generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 There's nothing embarrassing about a player being attached to a certain club. Strange comment I'd say frustrating rather than embarrassing. So many of our young players could've been so much better if they'd resisted the pull of the OF and the goldfish bowl it brings. Even when Ferguson went south he came back citing homesickness did he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The ned stuff some people are surprised about were a number of incidents that happened when he was a young player. He was involved in a couple of fights in pubs and then there was his behaviour during and after an Old Firm game in 2000 (Celtic 6 - Rangers 2) which was very "neddy" to say the least. Although I'm not Ferguson's biggest fan, it should be said that he was just a daft youngster at the time and as the years went on he matured a bit. At least he never indulged the Orange loving kunts like John Brown (a nasty anti-Catholic bigot as I have found out myself) or Andy Goram did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I think Ferguson was very much like Beckham - they looked good players when they were in superior teams to the opposition. Stick any of them in against decent sides and both were found wanting - easy for opposition to play through them. whenever they had time on the ball to stroke it around that suited them. Ferguson in a Scotland team was mostly pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menschlich Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Best Scottish midfielder of my generation of Scotland fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ferguson in a Scotland team was mostly pish. Nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 The ned stuff some people are surprised about were a number of incidents that happened when he was a young player. He was involved in a couple of fights in pubs and then there was his behaviour during and after an Old Firm game in 2000 (Celtic 6 - Rangers 2) which was very "neddy" to say the least. Although I'm not Ferguson's biggest fan, it should be said that he was just a daft youngster at the time and as the years went on he matured a bit. At least he never indulged the Orange loving kunts like John Brown (a nasty anti-Catholic bigot as I have found out myself) or Andy Goram did. When were these couple of fights you are talking about? The only incident can remember was when he went out bevvying in his Rangers tracksuit when we got humped 6-2. Think it was in Bothwell somewhere. Even at that I don't think it was much of a fight. Him and his pal got chased up the road after an altercation with some Tims. He was widely criticised at the time for being out drinking in his Rangers tracksuit anyway but after an OF game it was just plain idiotic. Genuinely can't remember him being in fights though? I always thought his ned tag started after a very early tv interview. He said 'know what I mean' before and after just about every sentence and sounded like......well.....a ned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintlyscot Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Most fans recall his early Scotland tenure when it appeared he couldn't be bothered. Regular call offs and appeared for der huns next game. He came on to a bit of a game but shamed himself as captain. Let's not rewrite history. A decent player but no more in a Scotland context and couldn't lace Collins,McCallister or Fletchers boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 When were these couple of fights you are talking about? The only incident can remember was when he went out bevvying in his Rangers tracksuit when we got humped 6-2. Think it was in Bothwell somewhere. Even at that I don't think it was much of a fight. Him and his pal got chased up the road after an altercation with some Tims. That was one of two that I can remember. There was another incident very similar in nature about a year after that but I don't think the polis ever charged anyone over it. On both occasions there's conflicting accounts of what happened, some say Ferguson and his mates were responsible and others say it was some Celtic fans that started it. Feck knows anyway. At least he grew out of it quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Collins had a very good left foot and worked hard but he couldn't control the tempo of a game like Ferguson. Ferguson could only slow a game down by keeping the ball passing side to side when losing and in need of goals he was never able to raise the tempo and still played slow sideways balls that were of no help. I rarely remember him playing great forward defence splitting passes or even intelligent runs forward beyond the strikers. As players at the start of their careers I'd rather a Collins, McAllister or Darren Fletcher in my team before Ferguson Edited April 12, 2015 by Jagtag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Most fans recall his early Scotland tenure when it appeared he couldn't be bothered. Regular call offs and appeared for der huns next game. He came on to a bit of a game but shamed himself as captain. Let's not rewrite history. A decent player but no more in a Scotland context and couldn't lace Collins,McCallister or Fletchers boots. You were doing well up until the end there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ferguson could only slow a game down by keeping the ball passing side to side when losing and in need of goals he was never able to raise the tempo and still played slow sideways balls that were of no help. I rarely remember him playing great forward defence splitting passes or even intelligent runs forward beyond the strikers. As players at the start of their careers I'd rather a Collins, McAllister or Darren Fletcher in my team before Ferguson This reveals a lack of understanding of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo `81 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Most fans recall his early Scotland tenure when it appeared he couldn't be bothered. Regular call offs and appeared for der huns next game. He came on to a bit of a game but shamed himself as captain. Let's not rewrite history. A decent player but no more in a Scotland context and couldn't lace Collins,McCallister or Fletchers boots. Fair enough, let's not rewrite history - McAllister stunk the place out just about every time he played for Scotland - Let's not pretend otherwise just because the TA as an entity still what to wallow in a collective guilt trip cos he got booed at Parkhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ferguson was mostly in a pish Scotland team. Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 This reveals a lack of understanding of football. I have a very good understanding of football and have watched and studied many a great midfielder able to control games by keeping possession and slowing games down or injecting pace and urgency depending on the situation. Ferguson however was a decent player and no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 That was one of two that I can remember. There was another incident very similar in nature about a year after that but I don't think the polis ever charged anyone over it. On both occasions there's conflicting accounts of what happened, some say Ferguson and his mates were responsible and others say it was some Celtic fans that started it. Feck knows anyway. At least he grew out of it quickly. So not a 'number of incidents' then? Just kidding, like you I've heard different versions of the Bothwell street incident. And I agree he seemed to shape up pretty quickly in that respect. Certainly not a ned imo. Agree that Mcallister was better, Collins a different player and one I rated highly, but can't agree with Fletcher. Not even on the same page in terms of ability, although it's obvious that Fletchers attitude and application are streets ahead of Fergusons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Fair enough, let's not rewrite history - McAllister stunk the place out just about every time he played for Scotland - Let's not pretend otherwise just because the TA as an entity still what to wallow in a collective guilt trip cos he got booed at Parkhead McAllister from late 1990 until 1993ish was one of Scotland's best players, and when he played we would play well. The "one step forward, two steps back" approach of everything going through McAllister drove me nuts, but we were a pretty hard team to beat during this period. Brown brought him back far to early in a far to vital game, and not long after he had his Indian Summer of his career at Liverpool, when we were crying out for such a player at international level to keep things tidy in midfield (Ferguson didn't really come into things until 2000ish after Wembley when people started to take note). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Eagle Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ferguson could only slow a game down by keeping the ball passing side to side when losing and in need of goals he was never able to raise the tempo and still played slow sideways balls that were of no help. I rarely remember him playing great forward defence splitting passes or even intelligent runs forward beyond the strikers. As players at the start of their careers I'd rather a Collins, McAllister or Darren Fletcher in my team before Ferguson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Eagle Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Not how I remember him as he drove his team to near glory v World Champions in 2007 in an inspirational performance. This was just a month after another brilliant performance when he partnered Paul Hartley as we held it together to survive in Paris, this time in a classy role staying calm in front of the defence. Two great nights - pity about the boozegate antics - still can't forgive him that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Aye the Ferguson I'll remember is the one who played very well against England in 99, Italy and France in 07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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