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8 hours ago, Freeedom said:

This thread is as much of a shithole as the last one. The level of discussion is of a primary school age

Agreed but at least Tartan  tonna has agreed not to post till sturgeon resigns. Ghats a huge boost.

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I disagree with virtually everything the author of this piece writes.  I also think he’s a complete twat although I may just change that to a bit of one having read this.  If you really want to understand what a GRC is and crucially what it doesn’t do then I suggest you read this, it won’t take more than 5 minutes, but you might well learn something.  

It’s probably one of the best explainers I’ve read one this topic and I’m shocked that I’m sharing content form this author. 
 

https://tomharwood.substack.com/p/the-most-misunderstood-debate-in

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18 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Well what has she delivered for scotland? Any infrastructure? Any policies that have been of Benefit or furthered the cause for independence, she’s a good orator I will give her that but there’s been zero substance to her governance 

Everything is not about independence . You said she  has achieved nothing. She has managed the country through Covid , its fallout, and the shit show that is Brexit. Various social welfare policies have been introduced, you really do not need me to list them for you. 117 schools have been built the last 10 yrs costing £ 1.8 bn and a huge increase in new social housing. 

She is still massively popular despite various attacks and unfounded conspiracy theories, do you think people will just vote for a party or leader that achieves nothing just because of independence? How stupid do you think people are ? 
You do not need to like her but to say she has achieved nothing is wrong.
 

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The link that Joanna Cherry has tweeted kinda summarises her position in that big lesbians want to be in the company of only women

They dont want to go for a jobby and talk to the person in the next cubicle then find out its a Trans woman ...

 

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49 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

The link that Joanna Cherry has tweeted kinda summarises her position in that big lesbians want to be in the company of only women

They dont want to go for a jobby and talk to the person in the next cubicle then find out its a Trans woman ...

 

She often refers to “Lesbians and women”, which I find very strange. Is she suggesting that lesbians aren’t women?

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15 minutes ago, Malcolm said:


well thats an interesting question… is a trans women that gets with women  a lesbian?

I’m sure you can find videos on the web if you’re that bothered.  Probably get you all excited. 

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47 minutes ago, aaid said:

I’m sure you can find videos on the web if you’re that bothered.  Probably get you all excited. 

The problem with Porn is that it is a million miles for real life so probably best not to let him get more outlandish ideas.

The rule of thumb comes from Ted 2 - There are no Chicks with Dicks only Guys with Tits ...

Homosexuals are either "Tops" or "Bottoms" - rarely both

The majority of Transexual pornstars are usually both "Tops" and "Bottoms" for the money

The majority are only in it for aforesaid money to complete their transition (Post op) (Dick off)

Some like the money and never fully transition but they are few and far between - Yasmin Lee is probably the most mainstream (The Hangover 2)

Same with Transexual prostitutes

Outwith porn and prostitution nearly all transexuals are "bottoms" and not one bit interested in podgering women 

A friend told me this

Here endeth the lesson

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16 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

Everything is not about independence . You said she  has achieved nothing. She has managed the country through Covid , its fallout, and the shit show that is Brexit. Various social welfare policies have been introduced, you really do not need me to list them for you. 117 schools have been built the last 10 yrs costing £ 1.8 bn and a huge increase in new social housing. 

She is still massively popular despite various attacks and unfounded conspiracy theories, do you think people will just vote for a party or leader that achieves nothing just because of independence? How stupid do you think people are ? 
You do not need to like her but to say she has achieved nothing is wrong.
 

To me everything is about independence, and with that comes running a sound government that sits bang in the centre and and accommodates  to all in some respects.

I am not going through all the pro and cons to sturgeon however “guiding us through covid” it’s hardly an argument, that’s her job and tbf apart from being a better orator than those to the south(and no partying) it was very similar to the RUK.

regarding voting,  I don’t think folk will vote for a party only on independence, that’s why she and the party are in big trouble!! The independence leverage only last so long, add into the mix the government has been in steady decline since 2014 then you are going to see a kick back.I don’t think folk are stupid but I think foresight is something the majority of Joe Public lack. 

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10 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

To me everything is about independence, and with that comes running a sound government that sits bang in the centre and and accommodates  to all in some respects.

I am not going through all the pro and cons to sturgeon however “guiding us through covid” it’s hardly an argument, that’s her job and tbf apart from being a better orator than those to the south(and no partying) it was very similar to the RUK.

regarding voting,  I don’t think folk will vote for a party only on independence, that’s why she and the party are in big trouble!! The independence leverage only last so long, add into the mix the government has been in steady decline since 2014 then you are going to see a kick back.I don’t think folk are stupid but I think foresight is something the majority of Joe Public lack. 

I realise how independence is  , the only interest I have in politics is independence, and agree a sound government is paramount in achieving this.

I dont think NS is perfect by a long distance, she is a politician, none of them are perfect , many are shit. But I do rate her and absolutely think she is by far the best we have just now ( AS is not going to happen) . The party have been in power a long time and there is definitely a whiff of ‘getting along ’ rather than ‘dynamic’. I do think AS would be coming across similar difficulties if he was FM of a party who has been in power for as long as the SNP. It is hard to keep ‘fresh‘ and covid has been a very difficult and unusual situation to recover from. Look at the Tories down south.
She might only have been doing her job but its how you do it thats important. You may not rate her but the number of people I have spoken to whose opinion of her was raised substantially during that period is quite remarkable. People who really did not like her before. She has to appeal to different people in different ways to gain support .

I agree we need to appeal to more centrist / right of centre people but we are generally a left leaning country so you need to walk a bit of a tightrope , you cant be alienating your bread and butter for the minority. A bit like this trans thing that is going on. I personally dont think its a vote winner but recognise everyones voice needs to be heard and I am not sure the changes are anything like as drastic as some media reports are making out. 

I know you feel angry regarding the O&G situation. You did say you could move to renewables if you wanted therefore your view is not being swayed by your job. Can I ask why you dont make the switch knowing that renewables really are the way forward? This is a genuine question . 

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1 hour ago, aaid said:

For the record, I didn’t get anyone banned.  He got himself banned.  So that’s more bullshit from you.  

This is all I am saying on this  as I got  dragged into the last fiasco trying to defuse it. 
You are antagonising the situation with Malcolm on a distasteful subject. Absolutely no need for it. 

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28 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

This is all I am saying on this  as I got  dragged into the last fiasco trying to defuse it. 
You are antagonising the situation with Malcolm on a distasteful subject. Absolutely no need for it. 

He said it was acceptable to watch a violent video with young girls, when he was challenged on that, he said that people should be able to watch anything they want, I was testing that assertion, that is all.

edit.  Go back and look at the exchange, people seem to be misreading it.  I wasn’t accusing Malcolm of anything and it doesn’t look as if he took it that way.

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