Ally Bongo Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, aaid said: It is, if you think that Dermot Desmond picks the team. The worrying thing is that you believe this and keep digging To make it easier to understand why it's complete bollocks; Dermot Desmond switches on his phone one morning and on the news is some disruption between Celtic players is in the headlines. Dermot speed dials Celtic Park and speaks to Brendan Brendan tells him he might be the owner of the club but it's fuck all to do with him You can swop this analogy by replacing Dermot Desmond and Celtic with Tommy Sheppard and The Stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 38 minutes ago, scotlad said: I know the clip dates from 2015 - quite a different time from now - but even so, I'm surprised more wasn't made of it at the time. Well it was a different time and that election was fought on different ground, given that independence had been rejected months earlier. If you want to rewrite history though, crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, scotlad said: I think he might have a point, tbf... I know the clip dates from 2015 - quite a different time from now - but even so, I'm surprised more wasn't made of it at the time. The 2014 vote was September 2014 this would be summer 2015? Not sure what the point is? No one was contemporarily talking about campaigning for independence in the 2015 WM elections were they? It wasn't till the "material change" of Brexit that the conversation started coming up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: The worrying thing is that you believe this and keep digging To make it easier to understand why it's complete bollocks; Dermot Desmond switches on his phone one morning and on the news is some disruption between Celtic players is in the headlines. Dermot speed dials Celtic Park and speaks to Brendan Brendan tells him he might be the owner of the club but it's fuck all to do with him You can swop this analogy by replacing Dermot Desmond and Celtic with Tommy Sheppard and The Stand The difference is that as an MP, Tommy Shepard should take a step back and have nothing to do with the running of the club. A bit like Rishi Sunak shouldn't be buying shares in oil companies a couple of days before he announces new licenses in the North Sea. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 17 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Are you saying the SNP MP owner of the Stand Club was unaware of what was going on and that it was another SNP MP, and supposed friend, that was being victimised by his club ? Is this in the same ball park as Humza Yousaf saying he was "out the loop" and did not know at all what the term "Karen" meant ? In both cases Sheppard and Yousaf shat it and the Stand only backed down because they knew they would be taken to the cleaners in court Even then when Joanna Cherry did appear at The Stand the staff activated smoke machines and lit the stage in "trans colours" to harass her. Yet the deaf and dumb owner is still silent whatever the comment was, "abuse" is more than a stretch phone the polis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The worrying thing is that you believe this and keep digging To make it easier to understand why it's complete bollocks; Dermot Desmond switches on his phone one morning and on the news is some disruption between Celtic players is in the headlines. Dermot speed dials Celtic Park and speaks to Brendan Brendan tells him he might be the owner of the club but it's fuck all to do with him You can swop this analogy by replacing Dermot Desmond and Celtic with Tommy Sheppard and The Stand The stand took legal advice without the owner's awareness. about an MP in the same party as the owner. yeah TS knew nothing about it. 👍 Edited August 16, 2023 by PapofGlencoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 gers figures significantly better this year on the back of oil and gas receipts, pitty we cant use that argument due to the traitor sturgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 8 hours ago, phart said: The 2014 vote was September 2014 this would be summer 2015? Not sure what the point is? No one was contemporarily talking about campaigning for independence in the 2015 WM elections were they? It wasn't till the "material change" of Brexit that the conversation started coming up again. No, they didn't in so many words say "vote SNP for independence", but the SNP should always be putting forward the case for independence, even if only tacitly - it's why they exist. Labour lost that election - and the one after it - but they didn't stop arguing for democratic socialism (although they arguably have now). The SNP's pitch to the electorate in 2015, IIRC, was that they'd "hold the British government's feet to the fire", and make sure they follow through on the promises they made during the independence referendum. They pledged to be better than the complacent, troughing unionist MPs (mainly representing Labour) and stand up for Scotland's interests. Instead we get Tommy Sheppard talking about not rocking the boat and he and his colleagues getting "their feet under the table". Save for the fudge that was the Smith Commission, I'm struggling to think of anything they've done for Scotland that the unionist MPs they replaced wouldn't have. Brexit was an absolute gift but they played their hand appallingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Hooray for the Union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Even though most of the oil and a significant portion of the gas is located in what would be Scottish territory?? 🤔 Edited August 17, 2023 by scotlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Quick, someone tell Police Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) I've only recently joined the Tamb after being a longtime lurker/guest (it is a bit daunting joining in the chat for some reason!) I remember someone on here saying they though Kezia would go on a bit of journey re independence. Looks like she's getting there... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/18/my-view-on-scottish-independence-has-moved-says-kezia-dugdale Edited August 18, 2023 by StirlingEgg Link not posted correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 I would trust Kezia Dugdale as much as i would trust Henry McLeish As soon there is a sniff of some imaginary Devo Max she will be in about it like a dug eating beetroot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Wasn't Kezia's dad pro independence and quite outspoken about it. Had a feeling she'd eventually come over from the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 42 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I would trust Kezia Dugdale as much as i would trust Henry McLeish As soon there is a sniff of some imaginary Devo Max she will be in about it like a dug eating beetroot Someone from Labour starts talking about independence can be nothing but good but some how you have made it out to be a negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Someone from Labour starts talking about independence can be nothing but good but some how you have made it out to be a negative Fool me once shame on you Fool me twice shame on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Fool me once shame on you Fool me twice shame on me you need to stop being so bitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: you need to stop being so bitter You need to stop being so gullible "Could" and "May" are the red flags - we are now in 2023 FFS This leaves the door open somewhere down the line for her to throw a grenade into the debate by saying "she gave it some thought but realised she was wrong" in an attempt to sway others On 29 June 2016, Dugdale called for Jeremy Corbyn to resign from his position as Leader of the Labour Party, after 174-to-40 Labour MPs voted no-confidence in his leadership. She said when 80% of his own MPs no longer supported him, Corbyn could not properly function as Labour leader On 22 August, she declared her support for Owen Smith in the 2016 Labour Party Leadership election but also said her position would remain tenable were Corbyn to win re-election. After Corbyn won the leadership election, she first said that this made the Labour Party unelectable ...........then stated the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: you need to stop being so bitter Not really sure if he realises that we need people to change their minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, aaid said: Not really sure if he realises that we need people to change their minds. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35948407 Anytime either of you want to apologise is fine with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35948407 Anytime either of you want to apologise is fine with me That’s from 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 hours ago, StirlingEgg said: I've only recently joined the Tamb after being a longtime lurker/guest (it is a bit daunting joining in the chat for some reason!) I remember someone on here saying they though Kezia would go on a bit of journey re independence. Looks like she's getting there... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/18/my-view-on-scottish-independence-has-moved-says-kezia-dugdale The more posters there are on here to dilute the shit I write the better , dont be afraid! 😊 6 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35948407 Anytime either of you want to apologise is fine with me That was 2016. Not everyone has set in stone views on independence, loads of people will flip flop . The job is to convince them. Being married to someone in the SNP may have changed her position. And even if she isnt convinced, the reasons she gives for questioning the union will resonate with a lot of people , I cant see how that will harm independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 minute ago, aaid said: That’s from 2016 So - she has done this before then ? FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: So - she has done this before then ? FFS Mind you a lot has changed in the last seven years, Labour has veered to the right in order to grab votes in England. If you're a Labour voter wanting a fairer, more equal society you might now think about independence as the only way to bring about more radical changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: Mind you a lot has changed in the last seven years, Labour has veered to the right in order to grab votes in England. If you're a Labour voter wanting a fairer, more equal society you might now think about independence as the only way to bring about more radical changes. Aye i see that with the amount of activists going round Rutherglen and Hamilton West and Labour being odds of 1/16 to win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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