Dave78 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, aaid said: It's hardly coded. Aye, but not explicit either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, exile said: That Tomkins guy on Radio Scotland, can you believe it, he just said, SNP's main objectives were to Stop Brexit and lock Boris Johnson out of Downing St, so they failed on both counts! Aye right. Is that true though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dave78 said: Tomkins kind of has a point in that indyref2 wasn't explicitly mentioned. It's coded behind 'future in Scotland's hands', and 'right to choose a different path'. But even the dogs in the street know that a vote for the SNP also meant a vote for indyref2. Of course but if you have a leaflet in which the front page is Lock Boris out then of course that's going to be mentioned. The argument isn't whether the SNP wants indyref2 it's whether the radio dude exile heard was "justified" in saying what they did. Sure "main" might be wrong he should have said explicitly campaigned on. I read the post remembered the leaflet i got through explicitly mentioning those things so posted it, now folk seem to be debating whether voting indyref2 is a main aim, which seems facile cause it obviously is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, phart said: Of course but if you have a leaflet in which the front page is Lock Boris out then of course that's going to be mentioned. The argument isn't whether the SNP wants indyref2 it's whether the radio dude exile heard was "justified" in saying what they did. Sure "main" might be wrong he should have said explicitly campaigned on. I read the post remembered the leaflet i got through explicitly mentioning those things so posted it, now folk seem to be debating whether voting indyref2 is a main aim, which seems facile cause it obviously is. On the other hand, the Tories campaigned on a pretty unequivocal message of "Tell her again". You can't campaign on the basis that every vote for the SNP is a vote for IndyRef2 and then try and claim that actually it wasn't. Well you can do that obviously but not with any credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, aaid said: On the other hand, the Tories campaigned on a pretty unequivocal message of "Tell her again". You can't campaign on the basis that every vote for the SNP is a vote for IndyRef2 and then try and claim that actually it wasn't. Well you can do that obviously but not with any credibility. Again an argument i have no objection too. I just realised it was probably Adam Tomkins as opposed to some random media member who said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Pleasing to see Labour hopefully getting humped. Massive change in direction needed, and not just with leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Is that true though? Yes, it's half true. But the other half of the truth is that the Tories claimed they had "put the union on the ballot paper". If that was really the case, then a SNP victory should put the debate to bed. But suddenly, the Tories don't want to talk about indyref. Also, it ignores the fact that the ultimate aim of SNP is independence, and Brexit + Johnson in Downing St could actually serve SNP ends. Still, as far as we know, the Tories have won resoundingly, at least in England, whereas it's not clear what the result will be in Scotland. SNP could still falter. Curtice said it was the least reliable part of their poll. Until I see the first marginal seat in Scotland, I won't be convinced the exit poll is working in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Nae stamina, off to bed. Very sad for England that Labour and LDs could let that prick away with the silver. Hopefully there is a strategy here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: More than good for the SNP and huge slice of humble pie for Oraloon. Election Rule Book Rule number 3 - Always try to manage expectations. The SNP haven't won a single seat yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Ian Davidson, where the fuck did the BBC dig him up from. I presume based on his analysis he's been doing stand up for the last four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, exile said: Yes, it's half true. But the other half of the truth is that the Tories claimed they had "put the union on the ballot paper". If that was really the case, then a SNP victory should put the debate to bed. But suddenly, the Tories don't want to talk about indyref. Also, it ignores the fact that the ultimate aim of SNP is independence, and Brexit + Johnson in Downing St could actually serve SNP ends. Still, as far as we know, the Tories have won resoundingly, at least in England, whereas it's not clear what the result will be in Scotland. SNP could still falter. Curtice said it was the least reliable part of their poll. Until I see the first marginal seat in Scotland, I won't be convinced the exit poll is working in Scotland. Good point. Aye id be wary of Scotland’s exit polls as well but probably be a good night from an SNP perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, aaid said: Ian Davidson, where the fuck did the BBC dig him up from. I presume based on his analysis he's been doing stand up for the last four years. If the Brexit party didn't stand in Blyth their votes would have gone to Labour and they would have won....😂😂 That's what he was trying to say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Laura Kuenssberg still trying to pretend she’s an impartial journalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, aaid said: Ian Davidson, where the fuck did the BBC dig him up from. I presume based on his analysis he's been doing stand up for the last four years. Comedy viewing that guy. I’ve never seen him before. Now we’ve got Neil Findlay on STV. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Tories think they might have held onto Moray. That will throw the exit poll in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, iainmac1 said: Tories think they might have held onto Moray. That will throw the exit poll in the air. In many ways, I'd take that if it meant Swinson copped it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Reports that police removed ballot papers in Paisley from BBC Police have been pictured removing ballot papers from a counting centre in Paisley, near Glasgow. The move comes over allegations of impersonation - where one person votes by impersonating another - in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, iainmac1 said: Tories think they might have held onto Moray. That will throw the exit poll in the air. Yep. And Sarah Smith tweeting that Labour think Ian Murray will hold. Exit poll could well be setting SNP up for a bit of a fall. I think I read somewhere that it was only based on 3 Scottish constituencies. Curtice was very wary of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This BBC coverage is laughably over the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Stv in Glasgow saying the one labour seat (Glasgow NE) is on a knife-edge. If it’s only on a knife-edge then there’s going to be marginal seats won and lost. No way SNP can get 55 in those circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said: Comedy viewing that guy. I’ve never seen him before. Now we’ve got Neil Findlay on STV. Great. Former Labour MPmin Glasgow. Threatened to give Elidh Whiteford a doing in 2011 and said in 2013 that all you'd have to do after No won the referendum would be to "bayonet the wounded". A real nasty piece of work. Lost his seat to Chris Stephens in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 NE Fife and Perth & North Perthshire also reporting as close. A good number of these are going to fall against the SNP. Think closer to 45 than 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 He’s a narcissistic wanker but in some ways Andrew Neil is fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 This is the usual phoney war you get on election nights with three and a half hours of speculation based on the exit poll, followed by a couple of early declarations with everyone trying to extrapolate from that and the picture only becoming clearer once the results start to come in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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