Ryan Fredericks

[Burj_Alba]

Hope Clarke is not going to follow the granny route so favoured by Levein. But needs must...., a top division right back.

Would give O'Donnell time to see what he can do under Clarke before jumping in.

Interesting he is not in the squad for the double header, maybe he is waiting to see if he can replace Trippier, Alexander Arnold or Walker first.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-clarke-targets-ryan-fredericks-16249540

 

 

[er yir macaroon]

I see he got 10/10 on the 4th May versus Southampton and has blistering pace. If he’s keen, call him up. If he drags his heals, forget it. 

[ONeils4oyarder]

I know we are struggling for a decent keeper and a forward but for me Right-back is our real achilles heel...I'm not one for favouring the granny rule, but in this instance its a bit of 'needs must'.

[ONeils4oyarder]

15 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said:

I see he got 10/10 on the 4th May versus Southampton and has blistering pace. If he’s keen, call him up. If he drags his heals, forget it. 

Kieran Tierney is the best example of a full-back who drags his heals, in my opinion

[wanderer]

1 hour ago, Burj_Alba said:

Hope Clarke is not going to follow the granny route so favoured by Levein. But needs must...., a top division right back.

Would give O'Donnell time to see what he can do under Clarke before jumping in.

Interesting he is not in the squad for the double header, maybe he is waiting to see if he can replace Trippier, Alexander Arnold or Walker first.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-clarke-targets-ryan-fredericks-16249540

 

 

Given Clarke's links to a good number of top English clubs (West Ham in this case is somewhere he was coaching at for a few years), he probably will uncover a few players that might have gone unnoticed, but unlike Levein, lets hope he knows when to take no for a answer (Shelvey and Carrol, who he seemed to chase non-stop for a good part of his time as Scotland manager)

[ParisInAKilt]

No thanks 

[Terry Munro]

35 minutes ago, ONeils4oyarder said:

Kieran Tierney is the best example of a full-back who drags his heals, in my opinion

Give it a rest you boring fud of a guy

[Bobby Russell's Lovechild]

Spoke to a West Ham fan this morning, who said if he played like last season, will make the England squad. Lightening quick, but a bit suspect defensively

[ONeils4oyarder]

9 minutes ago, Terry Munro said:

Give it a rest you boring fud of a guy

😂👍

[Cove_Sheep]

I notice failed parent Bryan Gunn was pushing some English goalkeeper for us too.

[wanderer]

25 minutes ago, Cove_Sheep said:

I notice failed parent Bryan Gunn was pushing some English goalkeeper for us too.

John McGinn also in papers today saying he has been trying to get Steer to switch (interestingly Villa have made no real secret that they are on the hunt for a new keeper this summer, so chance he might not be Villa No1 next season)

[mccaughey85]

This would be good as right back is a real problem area, o donnell is decent but if this guy plays well in the epl then he could be a good option for us. I was happy to have Tierney playing right back but he seems to be missing so many squads recently that it would be good to have this guy as an option.

[scotlad]

1 hour ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said:

Spoke to a West Ham fan this morning, who said if he played like last season, will make the England squad. Lightening quick, but a bit suspect defensively

He'd be an upgrade on O'Donnell then, who's slow (comparatively) and a bit suspect defensively.

[mrniaboc]

If he agrees then we could see five Ryans in one squad... 

[mccaughey85]

10 minutes ago, mrniaboc said:

If he agrees then we could see five Ryans in one squad... 

Could be six if Ryan Jack gets called up.

Edited June 4, 2019 by mccaughey85

[mccaughey85]

2 hours ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said:

Spoke to a West Ham fan this morning, who said if he played like last season, will make the England squad. Lightening quick, but a bit suspect defensively

I can't see him getting called up as England have loads of quality right backs. Walker, trippier, alexander-arnold are three that would defo get picked ahead of him. They have other young guys like jonjoe Kenny and Joe Gomez as well. Even if he plays well for west ham next year he would still be behind quite a few players for a spot in the squad. With us he's pretty much guaranteed the starting place if he continues playing in the epl.

[andyD]

4 hours ago, ONeils4oyarder said:

I know we are struggling for a decent keeper and a forward but for me Right-back is our real achilles heel...I'm not one for favouring the granny rule, but in this instance its a bit of 'needs must'.

I'm not sure it's as bad as you make out. We aren't shipping goals because of the right back.

Looking at the Khazak game..
1st goal - Shinnie steps up to play his man offside, but Bates is still deeper and plays him on. Nothing to do with Palmer.
2nd goal - No pressure in midfield from McGregor means the guy has all day to slot the pass inside Shinnie who's wrong-footed. Nothing to do with Palmer.
3rd goal - McKenna just doesn't win the header. Simple as. Could Palmer and McGinn have closed the guy down quicker.. maybe, i guess. But he crosses from very deep.

Israel (home)..
1.. Long ranger from Kayal, McGregor not fussed to close him down.
2.. Another long ranger, again McGregor.. out of position, gets beat and then lets him go.

Portugal..
1st.. Robertson lets his man get infront of him, trying to shield it to let it run across him, when he should be dealing with it instead. Should O'Donnell have stopped the cross? You can say so, but we were doubled up on Bruma for a reason, he'd been a nightmare up to that point. Maybe if McGinn had bothered to run the 5 yard to be the 2nd man on Bruma then O'Donnell could have gone out. But he didn't, so..
2nd.. Was all-round chaos in defense. Portugal free-kick. We have 4 men doing nothing in the middle and Portugal have 3 men at the back post lining up to knock it in. O'Donnell's the only guy competing with them, so would be very harsh to blame him, given that he's dealing with his own man and two more than other defenders have let go.
3rd.. Hendry gives it away in midfield, and they counter quickly for Bruma to finish well. O'Donnell stranded up the pitch by Hendry giving it away.

Israel (away)..
1.. Russell lets his man go. Robertson should do better picking him up but i think tried to play offside.
2.. Cross from just outside the area with no pressure from Robertson or Russell. Tierney slices it into his own net.

Belgium.. we played with a back 3, but let's assume Fraser is teh right back.
1.. McGinn falls asleep and hands them the ball on the edge of our area.
2.. Fraser's tracking Carrasco, who slips it to Hazard who should have been picked up by McDonald. Fraser tries to get there, but can't.
3.. Horrific pass from Mulgrew sets up a clinical counter.
4.. Ryan Jack made to look a fool holding onto the ball too long and they again counter quickly and clinically.

Mexico.. cross from their right, not dealt with in the middle. Hendry, McGeough, McLean all failing to pick men up.

Peru..
1.. Mulgrew has it handled, but lunacy from Archer results in a pen.
2.. O'Donnell correctly positioned to block the cross. Mulgrew or McGinn have to step onto the free man, but both just ball watch.

Costa Rica..
1.. Paterson's marking Colindres. Cairney lets Oviedo run away from him for no reason, and Hanley and McKenna are both marking nothing in the middle, so the striker is free to knock it in.

 

So what was the last goal that was due to the right back? Cos none of the last 18 were due to the right back.

Seems to me that our defensive problems are mainly to do with workrate and organisation of the central defenders and central midfield. I get that Palmer and O'Donnell aren't popular, exciting big names.. But Robertson and Tierney have been responsible for more goals against since Strachan left. While it'd be nice to have someone with the quality of Fredricks, right back certainly isn't the problem in terms of us keeping a clean sheet for the last few years.

[Arbroath1320]

Fredericks passes to Forrest who passes to Fleck, to Fletcher and then to Fraser and finally Phillips. I hope the commentator doesn't have a lisp. 

[Bobby Russell's Lovechild]

2 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

I can't see him getting called up as England have loads of quality right backs. Walker, trippier, alexander-arnold are three that would defo get picked ahead of him. They have other young guys like jonjoe Kenny and Joe Gomez as well. Even if he plays well for west ham next year he would still be behind quite a few players for a spot in the squad. With us he's pretty much guaranteed the starting place if he continues playing in the epl.

I agree. That's how Clarke will sell it

[wanderer]

Press seem to be saying that he has already spoken with Clarke, possible that he could have been the 3rd player that is getting married in coming week or two?

[Bobby Russell's Lovechild]

1 minute ago, wanderer said:

Press seem to be saying that he has already spoken with Clarke, possible that he could have been the 3rd player that is getting married in coming week or two?

Supposedly, there is paperwork to check eligibility to go through

[wanderer]

1 minute ago, Bobby Russell's Lovechild said:

Supposedly, there is paperwork to check eligibility to go through

True, suppose on how serious Clarke is to get him, he might be having a word in Tom Cairneys ear, given the Fulham link between the two players.

[PASTA Mick]

6 minutes ago, wanderer said:

Press seem to be saying that he has already spoken with Clarke, possible that he could have been the 3rd player that is getting married in coming week or two?

The three players getting married are Fleck, McDonald and Snodgrass.

[mrniaboc]

2 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

Could be six if Ryan Jack gets called up.

Shit, forgot about Porteous. 

[ONeils4oyarder]

1 hour ago, andyD said:

I'm not sure it's as bad as you make out. We aren't shipping goals because of the right back.

Looking at the Khazak game..
1st goal - Shinnie steps up to play his man offside, but Bates is still deeper and plays him on. Nothing to do with Palmer.
2nd goal - No pressure in midfield from McGregor means the guy has all day to slot the pass inside Shinnie who's wrong-footed. Nothing to do with Palmer.
3rd goal - McKenna just doesn't win the header. Simple as. Could Palmer and McGinn have closed the guy down quicker.. maybe, i guess. But he crosses from very deep.

Israel (home)..
1.. Long ranger from Kayal, McGregor not fussed to close him down.
2.. Another long ranger, again McGregor.. out of position, gets beat and then lets him go.

Portugal..
1st.. Robertson lets his man get infront of him, trying to shield it to let it run across him, when he should be dealing with it instead. Should O'Donnell have stopped the cross? You can say so, but we were doubled up on Bruma for a reason, he'd been a nightmare up to that point. Maybe if McGinn had bothered to run the 5 yard to be the 2nd man on Bruma then O'Donnell could have gone out. But he didn't, so..
2nd.. Was all-round chaos in defense. Portugal free-kick. We have 4 men doing nothing in the middle and Portugal have 3 men at the back post lining up to knock it in. O'Donnell's the only guy competing with them, so would be very harsh to blame him, given that he's dealing with his own man and two more than other defenders have let go.
3rd.. Hendry gives it away in midfield, and they counter quickly for Bruma to finish well. O'Donnell stranded up the pitch by Hendry giving it away.

Israel (away)..
1.. Russell lets his man go. Robertson should do better picking him up but i think tried to play offside.
2.. Cross from just outside the area with no pressure from Robertson or Russell. Tierney slices it into his own net.

Belgium.. we played with a back 3, but let's assume Fraser is teh right back.
1.. McGinn falls asleep and hands them the ball on the edge of our area.
2.. Fraser's tracking Carrasco, who slips it to Hazard who should have been picked up by McDonald. Fraser tries to get there, but can't.
3.. Horrific pass from Mulgrew sets up a clinical counter.
4.. Ryan Jack made to look a fool holding onto the ball too long and they again counter quickly and clinically.

Mexico.. cross from their right, not dealt with in the middle. Hendry, McGeough, McLean all failing to pick men up.

Peru..
1.. Mulgrew has it handled, but lunacy from Archer results in a pen.
2.. O'Donnell correctly positioned to block the cross. Mulgrew or McGinn have to step onto the free man, but both just ball watch.

Costa Rica..
1.. Paterson's marking Colindres. Cairney lets Oviedo run away from him for no reason, and Hanley and McKenna are both marking nothing in the middle, so the striker is free to knock it in.

 

So what was the last goal that was due to the right back? Cos none of the last 18 were due to the right back.

Seems to me that our defensive problems are mainly to do with workrate and organisation of the central defenders and central midfield. I get that Palmer and O'Donnell aren't popular, exciting big names.. But Robertson and Tierney have been responsible for more goals against since Strachan left. While it'd be nice to have someone with the quality of Fredricks, right back certainly isn't the problem in terms of us keeping a clean sheet for the last few years.

You've a much better memory than me, in being able to remember all these goals...fair play.

 

However, what I'm really getting at, is that no one has really been able to make that right-back position their own, for a pretty long time, and the two guys in the squad this time (O'Donnell and Palmer) in my opinion, don't appear to have the quality necessary.

O'Donnells lack of pace, has seen him caught out fairly regularly for Scotland, while Palmer looked like a rabbit in the headlights in his last match. Whether we can attribute the loss of goals to these two is one thing, but I'd like to think we want better in a pretty key position.

 

Fredericks on the other hand seems to have a pretty high reputation down South.