mccaughey85 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, er yir macaroon said: We must have more players in the EPL now than at any time since its inception, apart from possibly the very early days. Yeh we defo have more Scots than a few years ago but reality is that most have had to work there way up there and not many have gone straight there from the spl.(minus celtic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said: My points are bang on the money. Its a fact that epl clubs will no longer buy from non old firm clubs. They deem the spl to be to far below the standard required. Its English championship clubs that now take an interest in spl players. I agree there is a few more Scottish epl players than maybe 5 or 6 years ago but most of these players got there through different pathways. Most never went from straight from spl clubs(barring celtic) to an epl club. Mcginn went to English champ, mcburnie came up from the English champ, same with fleck, cairney, Snodgrass, Cooper, Fraser,ritchie. We have gilmour, mctominay and Bardsley who came through at epl clubs. Burke came from the bundesliga to the epl. Tierney and Armstrong came from celtic who have proven over last 9 years that they are way above the spl by the fact they won 4 trebles in a row. The 2 guys who went from the spl straight to the epl are robertson and mcarthur and both of those players did so over 7 years ago. Its a worrying trend for the future of the spl that smaller English championship and even league1 clubs can now poach whoever they want with from the spl with relative ease. You're quite right. We've never had any difficulty producing players considered good enough to hack it in England's second and third tiers - many have excelled down there - but moving straight from the SPFL to the EPL is a different story. It didn't used to be - up until the 1990s it was quite common for English top tier clubs to sign players from our Premier League - but like Malcolm says, the SPFL is now considered too poor a standard to risk it. The only time it tends to happen now is when someone is genuinely head and shoulders above the rest, like Kieran Tierney or, although he obviously isn't Scottish, Virgil Van Dijk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookerman Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Is it not also ther case that England are playing in a whole different market from the 80's ,90s where mostly ever team where filled with British players. Scotland was always the first place they looked too cause it was easier to recuit players. With the billions of tv money they can now afford to recruit the top foreign talent, so no wonder only the few best Scots end up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, scotlad said: You're quite right. We've never had any difficulty producing players considered good enough to hack it in England's second and third tiers - many have excelled down there - but moving straight from the SPFL to the EPL is a different story. It didn't used to be - up until the 1990s it was quite common for English top tier clubs to sign players from our Premier League - but like Malcolm says, the SPFL is now considered too poor a standard to risk it. The only time it tends to happen now is when someone is genuinely head and shoulders above the rest, like Kieran Tierney or, although he obviously isn't Scottish, Virgil Van Dijk. I would say even the 90s it was more common than now, you had guys like Kevin gallacher, callum Davidson, eoin jess, Stephen glass going from the spl to the epl. You also had Scott booth and Paul lambert going from Aberdeen to borussia dortmund lol. Could you imagine that happening nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 hours ago, er yir macaroon said: We must have more players in the EPL now than at any time since its inception, apart from possibly the very early days. Exactly. And many more In the youth teams of big clubs. We also have an 18 year old defender playing every week in Serie A & two young players highly rated in Bayern’s youth team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ProudScot said: Exactly. And many more In the youth teams of big clubs. We also have an 18 year old defender playing every week in Serie A & two young players highly rated in Bayern’s youth team. Hickey Isn't playing every week. On the bench last three weeks and didn't come on today when Bologna hooked their starting left back. Edited January 30, 2021 by ceudmilefailte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Hickey Isn't playing every week. On the bench last three weeks and didn't come on today when Bologna hooked their starting left back. Sorry - he’s started a lot of games since he’s moved there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Sorry - he’s started a lot of games since he’s moved there. Started 9 of their 20 league games which is 9 more than Billy Gilmour has, plus he's younger. Nice to have two top league teenagers but we don't half get carried away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 58 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Started 9 of their 20 league games which is 9 more than Billy Gilmour has, plus he's younger. Nice to have two top league teenagers but we don't half get carried away. All true. Atleast we have glimmers of hope to get carried away about now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Burnley bid for Jack Hendry. Oostende don’t agree to the loan being cut short as they are going to buy him in the summer. He’s in great form & both quick and big, can definitely see him in our next squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeTA Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Braga linked with gauld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, GraemeTA said: Braga linked with gauld Saw that. Wonder if he can step up higher than that level given he’s got the most MOMs in the league this season there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Multiple clubs in for Kevin Nisbet according to the Birmingham manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Gilmour surely a must now for a loan deal. Left out of both Tuchel's matches with Tuchel making passing comments about him having to 'bulk up'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: Gilmour surely a must now for a loan deal. Left out of both Tuchel's matches with Tuchel making passing comments about him having to 'bulk up'. Definitely needs to get out the club on loan & tbh that statement says it all about Tuchel. His build seemed okay in all his appearances where he bossed it & received all the praise. Hopefully this West Ham/Palace/West Brom loan happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, ProudScot said: Definitely needs to get out the club on loan & tbh that statement says it all about Tuchel. His build seemed okay in all his appearances where he bossed it & received all the praise. Hopefully this West Ham/Palace/West Brom loan happens. A permanent move would be even better if that is Tuchel's mindset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: A permanent move would be even better if that is Tuchel's mindset. Yeah agreed. There shouldn’t be any shortage of teams keen to take him on loan atleast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, ProudScot said: Yeah agreed. There shouldn’t be any shortage of teams keen to take him on loan atleast. The only worry is - this is Chelsea. Buy from them is like shopping at the shop local to them - Harrods. Gilmour has played a handful of games but I am betting Chelsea won't let him go cheap at all and it may put clubs off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, GraemeTA said: Braga linked with gauld Reading the reports though Farense want to keep him until the end of the season when his contract is up. That being the case clubs may prefer to sit it out until then and get him free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Reports are saying Hornby loaned to Aberdeen for rest of season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Reports are saying Hornby loaned to Aberdeen for rest of season That would be a good move for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: That would be a good move for him. Too right. He'll play every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Reports are saying Hornby loaned to Aberdeen for rest of season Wonder if he can finally score a senior goal. 21-22 a striker & hasn’t scored in a senior football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: Wonder if he can finally score a senior goal. 21-22 a striker & hasn’t scored in a senior football! This is the chance to see what all the fuss was about. Make or break from a TA perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjd1972 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: Wonder if he can finally score a senior goal. 21-22 a striker & hasn’t scored in a senior football! Thought he scored a couple for Kortrijk in Belgium last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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