Ormond Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: End of the day, it comes down to what your name's associated with ... The Pele Droop The Ronaldo Preen The Cruyff Turn The Maradona Cheating-Dirty-Handballing-Ba$tard-Incident The Zidane Moment-of-Madness The Messi Airline-Ad The Beckenbauer Backhander The Bobby Moore tea-leafer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbear Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Not on this clip but I'll never forget him nutmegging Beckenbauer & leaving him on all fours. Pele for me followed by Messi then possibly Maradona with notable mentions for Ronaldo, Cruyff, Eusebio & Best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 1 hour ago, DonnyTJS said: A great player, but that 'one moment of madness' rules him out of being the greatest, wouldn't you say? Why? Maradonna then Zidane for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Seems a crazy one, but some of the single greatest "plays" i've seen have been from dennis bergkamp A lot of modern players are so much faster than before, it's athleticism that's getting them there. Messi runs faster with the ball than an NFL cornerback just sprinting. Crazy acceleration that just didn;t exist way back. Edited May 26, 2017 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesy Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, phart said: Seems a crazy one, but some of the single greatest "plays" i've seen have been from dennis bergkamp His goals v Newcastle, Argentina, and Leicester (the one at Filbert street) are right up there among my favourites. He was one of my favourites growing up, got his autograph at France 98 too (cool story bro) Edit: Forgot to add the goal at Roker Park v Sunderland too. Ridiculous skill Edited May 26, 2017 by Reevesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool78 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Somebody who was a drug cheat should never be classed as the worlds greatest imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said: Spot on Reevesy. The headbutt was one moment of madness in a phenomenal career. Cool, and the other 13 red cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, dan cake said: Cool, and the other 13 red cards? If cards were dished out in the 60s the way they are thrown around like sweeties now, then you'd see a heck of a lot more historic legends with higher crime counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Buffon Thuram Baresi Nesta Maldini Pirlo Xavi Ronaldo Zidane Messi Ronaldo What a team that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, kumnio said: Buffon Thuram Baresi Nesta Maldini Pirlo Xavi Ronaldo Zidane Messi Ronaldo What a team that would be. Strachan would fit Forrest in there somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Ormond said: Strachan would fit Forrest in there somehow. Sad but true. "I just think Lionel's height is going to be an issue against Latvia ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 34 minutes ago, kumnio said: Buffon Thuram Baresi Nesta Maldini Pirlo Xavi Ronaldo Zidane Messi Ronaldo What a team that would be. Manager : C Levein (SCO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 hours ago, dan cake said: maybe not the greatest but probably the best of my generation before messi and ron came along I was at the Italy v Scotland game in Rome in 1993. I basically watched Baggio all night as everything Italy did went through him. On the original question, Maradona for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 55 minutes ago, Ormond said: Strachan would fit Forrest in there somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 5 hours ago, DonnyTJS said: End of the day, it comes down to what your name's associated with ... The Maradona Cheating-Dirty-Handballing-Ba$tard-Incident That one incident almost made me promote him to number 1, but not quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 hours ago, phart said: Why? Because of its jaw-dropping, reputation-destroying, likely match-throwing, cretinous stupidity. It's also the only explanation for David Beckham's mysterious failure to make it onto anyone's list so far ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Because of its jaw-dropping, reputation-destroying, likely match-throwing, cretinous stupidity. It's also the only explanation for David Beckham's mysterious failure to make it onto anyone's list so far ... Beckham was good, but the best player you guys have had in my lifetime has been Scholes, but he was a ginger recluse, so he never got the hype/praise he deserved. Doesnt get near Zidane in my dream team though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 Cannae believe Beckham is getting mentioned on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 14 hours ago, dan cake said: Cool, and the other 13 red cards? Are not really a major issue. I'm not saying he's the greatest, I just agreed with Reevesy on the point that the red card in the final doesn't outweigh all of the skill and mastery shown before. Personally Pele was and probably always will be the greatest. If you've not won the World Cup then you can't claim to be the greatest player ever. Face it Maradona inspired Argentina to their 2nd win and Zidane was at the heart of France's. However only Pele could claim to have managed that feat 3 times. 19 hours ago, Reevesy said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Messi is the greatest player ever by quite a distance, followed by the original Ronaldo and then Riquelme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 17 hours ago, DonnyTJS said: Because of its jaw-dropping, reputation-destroying, likely match-throwing, cretinous stupidity. It's like saying Schumacher isn't the best cause he ran Damon Hill off the road. Or Senna and Prost doing it to each other in consecutive years. How about Viktor Korchnoi and Karpov booting each other during a world championship chess match. I'm not sure events after ones peak reach back into time and affect the quality of ones peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Pele was always my Nr 1 till what Maradona achieved in Naples.His performances there were unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bannannan said: Pele was always my Nr 1 till what Maradona achieved in Naples.His performances there were unbelievable. Aye, some energy on him. You'd have thought he was on something half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 15 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said: If you've not won the World Cup then you can't claim to be the greatest player ever. Why should that be the case? The 'title' is for an individual in the context of a team, not the team itself. Best could have been n x better than he was, as close to footballing perfection as it's possible to be, and he'd never have won a world cup. 6 hours ago, phart said: It's like saying Schumacher isn't the best cause he ran Damon Hill off the road. Or Senna and Prost doing it to each other in consecutive years. How about Viktor Korchnoi and Karpov booting each other during a world championship chess match. I'm not sure events after ones peak reach back into time and affect the quality of ones peak. No, it's not like saying that - because they're not team sports in the footballing sense. The F1 examples were all in pursuit of individual world titles and, in the context of the championship, could be seen as aiding that pursuit. Zidane's headbutt had the opposite effect. Since neither Korchnoi nor Karpov are generally considered 'the greatest' it's a rather moot point, anyway. And I don't buy the 'peak' argument either. What's the approved duration? If it's 10 seconds, let's give the title to McFadden. It should be over a career in football, which is why the correct answer is Cruyff - the only contender with an outstanding managerial record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Messi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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