hampden_loon2878 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said: Survey Monkey ?. You do know you'd be as well (from twitter) basing the same article on a conversation overheard at the bus stop or a show of hands at the bingo ? I hope yer right and it is a poll to be dismissed,, seriously starting to get the jitters,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 We are looking at 40% of the vote give or take 3% depending how the unionist tactical vote goes it could either be a real good night or a horrendous night for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I see the SNP winning 45 to 50 seats. I'd say that would be a damned fine result as well though the media would do their best to paint it another way. First of all lets remember these pertinent facts:- Firstly, the Tories (from the outset) have made this election about being an us and them vote and have been begging for unionists to throw all their eggs into the Tory basket. Secondly, since a second referendum is on the agenda then unionists WILL vote tactically in any which way they can to thwart the SNP. Thirdly, the SNP have been in power for around a decade now so you'd expect some voters now to vote for change purely for change sake. Therefore if the SNP weigh in with 45 to 50 seats then that is a very strong result considering how much there is against them doing this. A loss of around 5 seats is not the resurrection of the Tories despite what the media will say but more of tactical voting by unionists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Stuff like this makes me wonder how well the SNP are doing in some places ; yet the same time Wishart's majority was 50%/10,000 votes and the Tories got 33% in 2015 - you'd think that is almost PEAK Tory? . Although I do think Robertson will keep his seat (he's back to odds on fav ahead of Ross - evens) both were 5/6 for a good time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 polls are tory propaganda media tory propaganda same shite different day i expect the SNP to return more than 50 mps if not them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) I think the polls had the SNP on 43-46% before the election in 2015, so if the SNP get another wee 3-4% boost of punters on the day then that certainly would help if the polling average for them at present is about 42% and would make a big difference if they could hold on to some vital seats e.g NE Fife, Aberdeenshire West/Kincardine, and so on. There's also the chance that Unionists may well not know who to vote for in the likes of NE Fife, Dunbartonshire East, East Renfrewshire and even Aberdeenshire West/Kincardine is 1/5 to go Tory yet it was Lib seat for years - some may go Tory but surely some will break for the SNP and back to the Libs too Some bookies are all over the place too! East Lothian which seems to be Labour's best chance of gaining it back - they were 10/1 a few weeks back behind the SNP and Tories, and I think now 9/2. Plenty of money to (hopefully) be made. Also, likes of Wales, Birmingham, Newcastle etc I think Lab will hold most of their urban seats in England and Wales. Edited May 28, 2017 by weekevie04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, weekevie04 said: Stuff like this makes me wonder how well the SNP are doing in some places ; yet the same time Wishart's majority was 50%/10,000 votes and the Tories got 33% in 2015 - you'd think that is almost PEAK Tory? . Although I do think Robertson will keep his seat (he's back to odds on fav ahead of Ross - evens) both were 5/6 for a good time. I still say the SNP will hold onto most of their seats and may even oust Carmichael & Fluffy too Perth is a complete hotbed of Yoonery - even worse than Aberdeen - but i just think there is nothing more to it than the launch being in his constituency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I still say the SNP will hold onto most of their seats and may even oust Carmichael & Fluffy too Perth is a complete hotbed of Yoonery - even worse than Aberdeen - but i just think there is nothing more to it than the launch being in his constituency Never going to happen, fluffy will romp his seat as will carmicheal,, mr whishart will do well to hold his seat, as with whiteford, salmond and robertson,,, caithness is going to be close,, funnily enough i see aberdeen remaining yellow, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, weekevie04 said: Stuff like this makes me wonder how well the SNP are doing in some places ; yet the same time Wishart's majority was 50%/10,000 votes and the Tories got 33% in 2015 - you'd think that is almost PEAK Tory? . Although I do think Robertson will keep his seat (he's back to odds on fav ahead of Ross - evens) both were 5/6 for a good time. Take a look at Perth & North Perthshire general election results from 2001, 2005 and 2010. It was always a narrow win for the SNP. Never a safe seat by any means. Wishart has beaten them before in a tight race and can do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I still say the SNP will hold onto most of their seats and may even oust Carmichael & Fluffy too Perth is a complete hotbed of Yoonery - even worse than Aberdeen - but i just think there is nothing more to it than the launch being in his constituency Never going to happen, fluffy will romp his seat as will carmicheal,, mr whishart will do well to hold his seat, as with whiteford, salmond and robertson,,, caithness is going to be close,, funnily enough i see aberdeen remaining yellow, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) William Hill SNP to win every seat - still only 100/30 SNP to win over 39 seats - 1/9 Under 46.5 seats 5/6 Over 46.5 seats 5/6 Mundell is 1/6 to win his seat - SNP are 7/2 Carmichael is 1/4 to win his seat - SNP are 3/1 SNP and Tories are tied at 5/6 to win Perth & North Perthshire (Wishart) SNP are 4/5 to win Moray. Tories are 10/11 (Robertson) Salmond is 1/8 to win his seat. Tories are 7/2 Swinson is 4/7 to win East Dunbartonshire for the Lib Dems. John Nicolson is 6/4 - this is the bet of the Election. Will be fvcking incredible if that lying harpie Swinson wins Tories are 4/5 to win East Renfrewshire. SNP are 5/4 (Kirsten Oswald) Eilidh Whiteford is 1/3 to win Banff - Tories are 9/4 Murray is 4/6 to win Edinburgh South. SNP are 5/2 There is money to be made When it comes down to it on the day are people really going to vote for a Tory/Libdem/Labour backbencher instead of an SNP MP ? Edited May 28, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 2 hours ago, weekevie04 said: Stuff like this makes me wonder how well the SNP are doing in some places ; yet the same time Wishart's majority was 50%/10,000 votes and the Tories got 33% in 2015 - you'd think that is almost PEAK Tory? . Although I do think Robertson will keep his seat (he's back to odds on fav ahead of Ross - evens) both were 5/6 for a good time. The SNP were polling steady 49 before 2015 GE WIKI has a good poll tracker,,and they were on the way up,, we are sadly going the other direction this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 The SNP gave the ground up by moving left. That is why the tories are doing well in Scotland. Occupy the center is now just a meaningless phrase to the SNP. They say but when it comes to rightward adjustments in policy they simply cant do them, they always tack left, never right. It is just talk they are not centre they are left. All left and no right = left not centre. Reap what you sow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) Feck.. Edited May 28, 2017 by Mark frae Crieff didnae work.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Let me try Mark... ...let's see if this works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: Let me try Mark... ...let's see if this works. Cheers Jim.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Thplinthy, Scunnered used to tell the TAMB that the SNP were right wing. Can you two sort this out for me please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: Thplinthy, Scunnered used to tell the TAMB that the SNP were right wing. Can you two sort this out for me please? The SNP are not left and they are not right. You drive them left and SNP folk will vote right, you drive them right and SNP folk will vote left. The are like this wheeble wobbles political party that does not like to be pushed left or right. And if they are not that is how they should be. The SNP are a microcosm of the future Scottish Parliament should she win the Yes. Preserve that balance and then splinter gracefully upon victory. Not before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) The SNP are going to be infiltrated by people determined to take them down the road of an early referendum wipe out. Watch out for them. The only way the SNP go into the second one is if lead by the Scottish people demanding it. And that means the polls consistently show 60%+ in favour of it for at least 2 years... at least. I welcome the retraction in SNP support. It is realistic. Edited May 28, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, thplinth said: The SNP are not left and they are not right. You drive them left and SNP folk will vote right, you drive them right and SNP folk will vote left. The are like this wheeble wobbles political party that does not like to be pushed left or right. And if they are not that is how they should be. The SNP are a microcosm of the future Scottish Parliament should she win the Yes. Preserve that balance and then splinter gracefully upon victory. Not before. Agree completely,, thats where salmond was a master, he managed to apeal left and right,, loved his political stance,, sturgeon is leaning left which is worrying many, especially buisness backers,,,I honestly dont think sturgeon is up to it and it worrys me how much folk she will drive away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Grim Jim Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, thplinth said: The SNP are not left and they are not right. You drive them left and SNP folk will vote right, you drive them right and SNP folk will vote left. The are like this wheeble wobbles political party that does not like to be pushed left or right. And if they are not that is how they should be. The SNP are a microcosm of the future Scottish Parliament should she win the Yes. Preserve that balance and then splinter gracefully upon victory. Not before. Yeah, but some of your posts seem to want the independence movement to become "populist" ...I'll use a gentle word. I agree absolutely with you above though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Just now, Grim Jim said: Yeah, but some of your posts seem to want the independence movement to become "populist" ...I'll use a gentle word. I agree absolutely with you above though. Intriguing.. Can you explain. Genuinely curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 What do you mean by taking up Trump's coattails then? Have I misunderstood? Mibbe my memory . . .feck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) Jeez, you've too many posts for me to be arsed searching thought to see what was said before. (Yeah. gave up after a measly 2 seconds ) I have the impression that some of your posts advocated a right wing stance to capture (in my mind) right wing elements in Scotland. Maybe some low hanging fruit, as it were? Too far for me, personally. Edited May 28, 2017 by Grim Jim spelling :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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