Maq Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 tell you what.. I will miss him. Best orator I have heard Flure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Flure?absolutely. Edited September 19, 2014 by EddardStark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Even on his way out, Salmond can still have a laugh. https://twitter.com/AlexSalmond/status/513013565272621056 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Even on his way out, Salmond can still have a laugh. https://twitter.com/AlexSalmond/status/513013565272621056 That's excellent. Well done eck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I would not worry about it drama queen. In a week or two this place will be dead. Team GB message board will be up and running by then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Team GB message board will be up and running by then Just have to change the banner. Edited September 19, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 This consistent use of terms like 'traitor' or 'quisling' by many people on here shows that this wasn't just a movement for social justice and democracy, but actually one with a sinister nationalist ideology. Is that as sinister as the national movement in George Sq ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBonnetsowertheBorder Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 tell you what.. I will miss him. Best orator I have heard . There is a superb article on salmonds political career on the bbc website. As he proved again today, powerful far reaching inspirational words, dignified in defeat, but at the same time giving hope and heart for us not to give up and keep fighting the fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Was the banner not something like "no team GB" All you need to do is put a comma after no and it's a perfect banner for 55% of the population of this new created region Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The use of terms like 'consistent use' when the reality is the opposite shows the lies will only intensify not stop. (Lies and fear... remember how before all this started it was Putin Putin Putin... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Saint Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think we are kidding ourselves on Most folk that voted No knew the new powers vow was horseshit They just dont want Scotland to be Independent Ally, you might be correct regarding the "most folk" part, but I can only assume that the pro-union campaign thought that the vote was going to be so close that they felt they had to rush in at the last minute and make additional promises to the Scots in order to absolutely guarantee a No vote. I say "had to" because if they didn't have to, surely it was an almighty blunder to make such rash promises? Had they just left things alone and let Scotland vote No without offering any more powers, they possibly could then have just continued to ignore the 'English issue'. But they've put themselves over a barrel because they've now got to deliver on the promises made to Scotland (or the Scots will rightly be angry), and also got try and solve the West Lothian question and do something for the rUK (especially England). As we've seen already, there isn't agreement between the main parties on how this can be done, if it can be done at all. The fact that there hasn't been a solution to the WLQ before now is indicative of how difficult it is to resolve without making some major changes that can mess things up and cause problems in other areas. The Conservatives are now in a strong position because the UK has been 'saved' and they can set about offering their vision of constitutional 'fairness' to the English electorate. Labour, however, are pretty f*cked. If they try and stand in the way of England getting a fairer settlement, they'll pay the price at future elections. However, if they go along with some of the ideas, they won't be able to rely on their Scottish MP's when voting on English only issues (that would potentially cause a big problem for future Labour UK governments). It's going to be interesting to watch what solutions they all can come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Gordon Brown. First he saved the world, then he came into save Scotland from itself, in doing so he saved Britain, and in doing so has saved David Cameron's career, and handed the momentum to the Tories... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Arise sir alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Ally, you might be correct regarding the "most folk" part, but I can only assume that the pro-union campaign thought that the vote was going to be so close that they felt they had to rush in at the last minute and make additional promises to the Scots in order to absolutely guarantee a No vote. I say "had to" because if they didn't have to, surely it was an almighty blunder to make such rash promises? Had they just left things alone and let Scotland vote No without offering any more powers, they possibly could then have just continued to ignore the 'English issue'. But they've put themselves over a barrel because they've now got to deliver on the promises made to Scotland (or the Scots will rightly be angry), and also got try and solve the West Lothian question and do something for the rUK (especially England). As we've seen already, there isn't agreement between the main parties on how this can be done, if it can be done at all. The fact that there hasn't been a solution to the WLQ before now is indicative of how difficult it is to resolve without making some major changes that can mess things up and cause problems in other areas. The Conservatives are now in a strong position because the UK has been 'saved' and they can set about offering their vision of constitutional 'fairness' to the English electorate. Labour, however, are pretty f*cked. If they try and stand in the way of England getting a fairer settlement, they'll pay the price at future elections. However, if they go along with some of the ideas, they won't be able to rely on their Scottish MP's when voting on English only issues (that would potentially cause a big problem for future Labour UK governments). It's going to be interesting to watch what solutions they all can come up with. I agree I didnt think that Labour & Milliband would win the next GE last month but i am absolutely certain they have no chance now. Cameron seems to have played a bit of a blinder or maybe he just goobered his way to this point but it has certainly worked in the Tories favour. The question is whether the Tories can get a majority on their own and if not then who do they do a coalition with ? Will UKIP actually win a number of seats, if any, worth talking about and will the Lib Dems be wiped out Also will UKIP actually cost the Conservatives seats Its all up in the air For the 45 what i hope is; Tories win and have to go into coalition with UKIP. In out Euro referendum happens. The UK as a whole votes to come out but Scotland votes to stay in - an immediate indy referendum can be called Other option is the thought of a Tory/UKIP coalition might be enough for the SNP to run their campaign for the next Scottish Parliament and include another referendum in their manifesto Question is - will Westminster allow another one if the SNP wins that Scottish election Maybe im talking cack and thats fine Personally before another referendum we have to have things in place so that we do not need to rely on currency unions etc and that will take time Maybe the Euro will be stronger in 5 years time and i cant see where we can get the money within the UK to set up a central bank Too many questions One thing - i was never a nationalist before but as you have guessed from the above i am now. I want Independence and away from Westminster more than ever I have no idea if that is possible and all the hopes of no nukes, protecting the NHS in a constitution and everything else we wanted can ever be achieved now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Just when I thought I'd stopped being an emotional wreck i get sent this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 What a great guy. Please come back when the time is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 That photo says it all for me. I don't hero worship any man or woman but as for respect - he has it in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Alex was a once in a generation chance that we spurned. So amazed at the bitterness he evoked from some but that is my lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 He was one of the few politicians to regularly get under the skin of Blair during his war year lies. He was remarkable not just for his fearsome debating skills but because he was a memorable voice of truth and good in a sea of evil and lies. He stood and spoke truth when 99% shat it and capitulated. I have disagreed with a few of his decisions along the way of course but I love Alex , he is quality. I do not want him to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Alex was a once in a generation chance that we spurned. So amazed at the bitterness he evoked from some but that is my lesson. I was one of those that thought he was a buffoon but during the campaign he won me over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) And before I forget...this is perhaps another reason for you to join the SNP this week... to thank Alex (and get his ass back). If it (another vote) ever happens no one expects him to lead it (after his last shift which would age anyone) and that role will suit him well. (edit: sorry typing madness) Edited September 21, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 "Alex Salmond, Alex Salmond, we'll support you evermore, the No's" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock strap Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Just when I thought I'd stopped being an emotional wreck i get sent this That's me away........again........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I saw some footage on the news a few minutes ago and you wouldnt believe how much the people love him.Quite emotional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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