Mark frae Crieff Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Labour:- the only team that pushes in a Tug of war... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 You'd think that after the dust has settled, Labour would have been able to agree a position. On Andrew Marr this morning, Rebecca Long-Bailey backs up Corbyn's comments and points out - quite correctly - that Kezia Dugdale was saying the same thing 8 months ago. An hour later on a different channel, Hillary Benn tells Robert Peston that "Scottish Labour's" position is the correct one. This is a great example of what the Labour Party is like in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: You'd think that after the dust has settled, Labour would have been able to agree a position. On Andrew Marr this morning, Rebecca Long-Bailey backs up Corbyn's comments and points out - quite correctly - that Kezia Dugdale was saying the same thing 8 months ago. An hour later on a different channel, Hillary Benn tells Robert Peston that "Scottish Labour's" position is the correct one. This is a great example of what the Labour Party is like in 2017. No Party line to take. The problem is that the Labour Party's Scottish branch thinks it's a political party in its own right. It IS a branch of a larger, London-based party, and it relies on that larger party for its financial existence. For as long as this continues, chaos will reign within its (rapidly diminishing) ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Kezia must be the only politician that can say anything and disagree with the same and back everyone who disagrees with her , how is she even in a job ? I would seek to reform elections doing away with lists msp's and make everyone seek the votes needed. No more job for life . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 hours ago, fishcumnock said: Kezia must be the only politician that can say anything and disagree with the same and back everyone who disagrees with her , how is she even in a job ? I would seek to reform elections doing away with lists msp's and make everyone seek the votes needed. No more job for life . Feck knows. Interestingly many Labour MPs from England and Wales think she's fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Corbyn seems to be getting a lot of publicity for this free school meals scheme - could it work? To be paid by taxing private schools? Heard on BBC radio this morning, the first thing they did was to interview a private school parent who was against it (not, for example, a parent of a hungry child) What is the position in Scotland.... didn't Labour oppose free school meals as an SNP policy? Or am I jumping to conclusions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, exile said: Corbyn seems to be getting a lot of publicity for this free school meals scheme - could it work? To be paid by taxing private schools? Heard on BBC radio this morning, the first thing they did was to interview a private school parent who was against it (not, for example, a parent of a hungry child) What is the position in Scotland.... didn't Labour oppose free school meals as an SNP policy? Or am I jumping to conclusions? They didn't like it a few years back in Scotland http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11326332/Labour-Wealthiest-benefit-most-from-free-school-meals.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Corbinn has as many faces as a dice. Wouldnt trust him one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 1 hour ago, mariokempes56 said: Corbinn has as many faces as a dice. Wouldnt trust him one bit. Really... I think he's genuine.... But his party machine pushes him from being himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, flumax said: Really... I think he's genuine.... But his party machine pushes him from being himself. What about his "Turbo charged austerity" comment about an Independent Scotland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, exile said: Corbyn seems to be getting a lot of publicity for this free school meals scheme - could it work? To be paid by taxing private schools? Heard on BBC radio this morning, the first thing they did was to interview a private school parent who was against it (not, for example, a parent of a hungry child) What is the position in Scotland.... didn't Labour oppose free school meals as an SNP policy? Or am I jumping to conclusions? Heard on TV it was only free school meals for children in deprived areas. Edited April 6, 2017 by antidote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, exile said: Corbyn seems to be getting a lot of publicity for this free school meals scheme - could it work? To be paid by taxing private schools? Heard on BBC radio this morning, the first thing they did was to interview a private school parent who was against it (not, for example, a parent of a hungry child) What is the position in Scotland.... didn't Labour oppose free school meals as an SNP policy? Or am I jumping to conclusions? Charging VAT on private school fees, effectively challenging their charitable status, has always seemed reasonable to me. On the specifics of Corbyn's proposal the benefits of ensuring children are properly fed in terms of behaviour and attention in class are well enough known. The issue with what he said yesterday was that he quoted the Institute for Fiscal Studies as the source to support his policy, but they quickly came out and made clear their research only covered deprived areas and they hadn't looked into whether free school meals would have any effect in prosperous areas. I on't know where the SNP stand on this. Edited April 7, 2017 by Pool Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 7 hours ago, antidote said: Heard on TV it was only free school meals for children in deprived areas. That's what has been trialled so far. The folk who did the trial said they have no evidence to say that it would work for everybody. Mainly because they haven't done that trial. Corbyn wants it for all primary kids. He's a bit like Kez though, it's easy to promise stuff when you know there is absolutely no chance of you ever getting into power to implement it. Still a good idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 It is, of course, an excellent policy that chimes exactly with what the Labour Party should stand for. However, everyone has been told endlessly by the men on the telly that Corbyn is an idiot/can't lead/doesn't have a clue, so they'll obviously criticise it because that's what they've been trained to do. We live in an age where being an idiot and listening to and believing everything the man on the telly says is seen as intelligence. Intelligence no longer seems to be actually knowing things, it's merely believing what everyone else believes. Folk are scared to think differently, to believe different things from what the masses do. I'm not quite sure why that is? Maybe being lazy and unthinking is a sign of our lifestyles, where time is often at a premium or where there are too many other distractions, so keeping focused on something and actually learning about it isn't a priority? I do wonder why so many folk are so happy to believe exactly what News International and the BBC want them to? Who knows? Anyway, i digress... Great policy idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Parklife said: It is, of course, an excellent policy that chimes exactly with what the Labour Party should stand for. However, everyone has been told endlessly by the men on the telly that Corbyn is an idiot/can't lead/doesn't have a clue, so they'll obviously criticise it because that's what they've been trained to do. We live in an age where being an idiot and listening to and believing everything the man on the telly says is seen as intelligence. Intelligence no longer seems to be actually knowing things, it's merely believing what everyone else believes. Folk are scared to think differently, to believe different things from what the masses do. I'm not quite sure why that is? Maybe being lazy and unthinking is a sign of our lifestyles, where time is often at a premium or where there are too many other distractions, so keeping focused on something and actually learning about it isn't a priority? I do wonder why so many folk are so happy to believe exactly what News International and the BBC want them to? Who knows? There's a lot in that. On the other hand, always believing differently from what the masses think doesn't always mean you're always right, sometimes it means that you're wrong and everyone else is right. I believe for some, they always take a contrary view because they think it makes them look intelligent when in fact they are as stupid as those that take everything at face value. Edited April 7, 2017 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 54 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That's what has been trialled so far. The folk who did the trial said they have no evidence to say that it would work for everybody. Mainly because they haven't done that trial. Corbyn wants it for all primary kids. He's a bit like Kez though, it's easy to promise stuff when you know there is absolutely no chance of you ever getting into power to implement it. Still a good idea though. Did the Scottish branch of the labour party not vote against free school meals for children in Scotland? That was not only on the telly, but it is also recorded in Holyrood. Does he want it for kids who's parents are relatively well off also? I'm sure there are some children, even in deprived areas, whose parents make a decent living. Sort of puts labour's faux outrage into perspective when they were chuntering on about free prescriptions and freezing of the CT helping the well off. Totally agree with your last sentence, promise the earth out of power, its an old labour habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, aaid said: There's a lot in that. On the other hand, always believing differently from what the masses think doesn't always mean you're always right, sometimes it means that you're wrong and everyone else is right. I believe for some, they always take a contrary view because they think it makes them look intelligent when in fact they are as stupid as those that take everything at face value. I agree entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, antidote said: Did the Scottish branch of the labour party not vote against free school meals for children in Scotland? Scottish Labour is somewhat antonymous. It's a bit of a farcical position where the appear to be allowed to make their own choice on some policy decisions in Scotland but toe the London line in others. It generally boils down to opposing every single policy the SNP have/put forward though. 23 minutes ago, antidote said: Does he want it for kids who's parents are relatively well off also? I'm sure there are some children, even in deprived areas, whose parents make a decent living. It's certainly something that i'd imagine would be trialed in deprived areas first (universally in those schools) before being taken further. It doesn't make sense to means test this. It'd cost more to do so and some parents wouldn't bother to fill in forms etc to apply, meaning kids would still go hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) it's the Labour party that's mostly to blame. They dont' have a coherent front so it's only fair the media punish them for that. If you want to lead the country, you have to have a party to begin with. I wish Labour would get behind him. Can Private schools be "got at" through the Scottish Parliament. I don't blame parents for sending their kids but it's an abomination. Edited April 7, 2017 by PapofGlencoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 51 minutes ago, Parklife said: Scottish Labour is somewhat antonymous. It's a bit of a farcical position where the appear to be allowed to make their own choice on some policy decisions in Scotland but toe the London line in others. It generally boils down to opposing every single policy the SNP have/put forward though. It's certainly something that i'd imagine would be trialed in deprived areas first (universally in those schools) before being taken further. It doesn't make sense to means test this. It'd cost more to do so and some parents wouldn't bother to fill in forms etc to apply, meaning kids would still go hungry. Most of this I agree with, but this reason (bold) is exactly what the Labour, Tory and LibDems parties attacked the SG for, especially prescription charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 30 minutes ago, antidote said: Most of this I agree with, but this reason (bold) is exactly what the Labour, Tory and LibDems parties attacked the SG for, especially prescription charges. Yeah, the argument to means test some universal benefits is solely designed to appeal to thickos, who don't appreciate the economics of doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Parklife said: It is, of course, an excellent policy that chimes exactly with what the Labour Party should stand for. However, everyone has been told endlessly by the men on the telly that Corbyn is an idiot/can't lead/doesn't have a clue, so they'll obviously criticise it because that's what they've been trained to do. We live in an age where being an idiot and listening to and believing everything the man on the telly says is seen as intelligence. Intelligence no longer seems to be actually knowing things, it's merely believing what everyone else believes. Folk are scared to think differently, to believe different things from what the masses do. I'm not quite sure why that is? Maybe being lazy and unthinking is a sign of our lifestyles, where time is often at a premium or where there are too many other distractions, so keeping focused on something and actually learning about it isn't a priority? I do wonder why so many folk are so happy to believe exactly what News International and the BBC want them to? Who knows? Anyway, i digress... Great policy idea. I don't think intelligence ever has been about actually knowing things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 hours ago, antidote said: Did the Scottish branch of the labour party not vote against free school meals for children in Scotland? That was not only on the telly, but it is also recorded in Holyrood. Does he want it for kids who's parents are relatively well off also? I'm sure there are some children, even in deprived areas, whose parents make a decent living. Sort of puts labour's faux outrage into perspective when they were chuntering on about free prescriptions and freezing of the CT helping the well off. Totally agree with your last sentence, promise the earth out of power, its an old labour habit. If it was a SNP idea, then they probably voted against it. We could look it up but we probably don't need to bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Parklife said: I agree entirely. I don't think you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I don't think intelligence ever has been about actually knowing things. It's the ability to learn things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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