biffer Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 One thing I'm sure we can all agree on is its pleasing to see UKIP got nowhere near a seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 59 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/election-night/ The lesson for the Yes campaign is that there are people in Scotland, former Labour voters, who are so committed to the Union that they’ve switched to the Tories. Those are the voters that we will never win over. Seems that the Red Tory jibe was pretty accurate after all. Next time someone from Labour calls the SNP the Tartan Tories all we need to do is to remind them where their votes went. Their hatred of the SNP has killed them. We’re facing an SNP government with the Tories as the official opposition The big losers are Labour. What’s left of Labour needs to reflect on its ruination. For the first time in over 100 years it looks like they’ve been pushed into third place. If they really believe in the progressive politics they claim to stand for, they need to face up to the reality that Scottish politics is now a contest between a social democratic independence or a reactionary conservative unionism. There can only be one winner in the longer term. Either we lose our NHS, our public services, our free education, and become a glorified nuclear arms dump full of part time workers on zero hours contracts struggling with low wages and ever decreasing rights, or the Union is over. That’s the choice facing Scotland, that’s the choice facing Labour. It’s that stark. Good summery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 minute ago, biffer said: One thing I'm sure we can all agree on is its pleasing to see UKIP got nowhere near a seat. They should disband in Scotland. Totally irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 14 minutes ago, Auld_Reekie said: I wouldn't have said so, no, unless you have evidence to support it. Greens had every right to stand in constituency. If SNP wanted a free run at constituencies, they should have offered some kind of alliance. Instead, they wanted to roll the dice (and clearly expected every one else to bow before them). I agree with you, Greens had every right to stand in any constituency they want to. By the same token, the SNP had every right to campaign for as many list votes as they could get. It cuts both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Final Result; Constituency; SNP + Green = 48%, Tory + LD + Lab = 52% List; SNP/Green/RISE/Sol = 50.1%, Tory/LD/Lab/UKIP = 49.9% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) In a way this result must make a future independent Scotland seem less scary to some: not a one party state, but an inclusive place where, yes, even posh talking lords and morningsiders and awkward, independent-minded islanders are represented, and where yes the Tories have a chance of dreaming of winning an election. Some people seemed genuinely spooked by the idea of politics being dominated by 'nationalism' and a country dominated by one party (in this case the SNP but before that, some people didn't fancy living in a forever Labour Scottish state). In a backhanded way this result could even help pave the way for independence Edited May 6, 2016 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: If they really believe in the progressive politics they claim to stand for, they need to face up to the reality that Scottish politics is now a contest between a social democratic independence or a reactionary conservative unionism. There can only be one winner in the longer term. Either we lose our NHS, our public services, our free education, and become a glorified nuclear arms dump full of part time workers on zero hours contracts struggling with low wages and ever decreasing rights, or the Union is over. That’s the choice facing Scotland, that’s the choice facing Labour. It’s that stark. I disagree. Eventually people will start to ask what the SNP really stand for, and when the time comes Labour need to be prepared with a radical left programme that defines the differences between Socialism and Nationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 hour ago, adamntg said: Seems a bit of an odd system that the SNP have lost their majority despite increasing their vote. D'Hondt be cruel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 18 minutes ago, aaid said: I agree with you, Greens had every right to stand in any constituency they want to. By the same token, the SNP had every right to campaign for as many list votes as they could get. It cuts both ways. Exactly. People need to either criticise both or neither. Otherwise it's disingenuous at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, Scunnered said: I disagree. Eventually people will start to ask what the SNP really stand for, and when the time comes Labour need to be prepared with a radical left programme that defines the differences between Socialism and Nationalism. You're so right. I would call the current SNP Tartan Tories, especially after getting into bed with that Chinese deal. There are some Unionists so blinkered that they hate the SNP because they see them as a Scottish Sinn Fein! The real lesson for the SNP is that if they embrace a real Socialist philosophy they could sweep to independence far more easily than if they simply peddle a narrow nationalist agenda. As it stands, some are against them because they see them as Tories, while others are opposed because think they equate republicanism with socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, exile said: In a way this result must make a future independent Scotland seem less scary to some: not a one party state, but an inclusive place where, yes, even posh talking lords and morningsiders and awkward, independent-minded islanders are represented, and where yes the Tories have a chance of dreaming of winning an election. Some people seemed genuinely spooked by the idea of politics being dominated by 'nationalism' and a country dominated by one party (in this case the SNP but before that, some people didn't fancy living in a forever Labour Scottish state). In a backhanded way this result could even help pave the way for independence Yep, it also places a check on the 'material change' criterion. It's not just an SNP decision what constitutes material change, another party has to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_burger Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 The worst thing for me is that having moved flats 2 days ago I am now represented by Ruth Davidson On a more positive note I think that the SNP being slightly short of a majority will be a good thing. And as mentioned, I am delighted that Jeane Freeman is in there as well. She is superb and I really hope she has some influence amongst her SNP peers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Hopefully Ruthie keeps shouting that we cant have a second referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 50 minutes ago, Toepoke said: D'Hondt be cruel.... ? very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Hopefully Ruthie keeps shouting that we cant have a second referendum She will. Her support depends on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipped flake Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/election-night/ The lesson for the Yes campaign is that there are people in Scotland, former Labour voters, who are so committed to the Union that they’ve switched to the Tories. Those are the voters that we will never win over. Seems that the Red Tory jibe was pretty accurate after all. Next time someone from Labour calls the SNP the Tartan Tories all we need to do is to remind them where their votes went. Their hatred of the SNP has killed them. We’re facing an SNP government with the Tories as the official opposition The big losers are Labour. What’s left of Labour needs to reflect on its ruination. For the first time in over 100 years it looks like they’ve been pushed into third place. If they really believe in the progressive politics they claim to stand for, they need to face up to the reality that Scottish politics is now a contest between a social democratic independence or a reactionary conservative unionism. There can only be one winner in the longer term. Either we lose our NHS, our public services, our free education, and become a glorified nuclear arms dump full of part time workers on zero hours contracts struggling with low wages and ever decreasing rights, or the Union is over. That’s the choice facing Scotland, that’s the choice facing Labour. It’s that stark. great article and sums my feelings up perfectly. Labour's only hope is to change their stance on the constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Noticed Brian Whittle finally got elected via the Tory list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) In my constituency (Aberdeen Central) the Labour candidate, Lewis MacDonald's vote went down 10.2 % while the Tories went up 10.2%. Labour losing votes to the Tories in Scotland... Keir Hardie'll be spinning in his grave. Edited May 6, 2016 by neilser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Scunnered said: That guys a fückwit. Is his identity known? Come the revolution I'd like to have him strapped to Sheridan and shot. Homophobe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Maq said: Homophobe Impossible! I'm half gay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 hour ago, adamntg said: As Paddy Harvie says - 110,000 SNP list votes down the toilet. Aye, anybody who'd taken even a cursory check at the polls could have seen it was insane to vote SNP on the Glasgow list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geed Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Cant believe Tories have won as many seats as they have, honestly shocked how any Scottish person can vote tory. You look at where they have won there seats the borders, Aberdeen and one seat in Edinburgh and you know why this where folk are that have money, farmers, land owners and rich know the Tories will protect the rich and screw over the working class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Geed said: Cant believe Tories have won as many seats as they have, honestly shocked how any Scottish person can vote tory. You look at where they have won there seats the borders, Aberdeen and one seat in Edinburgh and you know why this where folk are that have money, farmers, land owners and rich know the Tories will protect the rich and screw over the working class. Precisely.We should move the border up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Bannannan said: Precisely.We should move the border up a bit. If you move the border up past Aberdeen there won't be much left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Scunnered said: If you move the border up past Aberdeen there won't be much left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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