DaveyDenoon Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Given the go ahead today. Yet again £billions can be found to spend on London whilst the rest of the country has to struggle by with the "necessity of austerity" biting hard. And £millions on Scots' tax money will be used to fund it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Boris Johnson, ... confirmed Crossrail 2 was of “national significance” Lord Adonis ... "His commission said the business case for the railway should be rewritten to make sure London contributed its fair share — more than half of the overall cost." http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/crossrail-2-gets-the-green-light-a3200286.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Spoiler alert huvnae even seen crossrail 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 7 hours ago, exile said: Boris Johnson, ... confirmed Crossrail 2 was of “national significance” Yeah Boris. Right you are then! 7 hours ago, exile said: Lord Adonis ... "His commission said the business case for the railway should be rewritten to make sure London contributed its fair share — more than half of the overall cost." http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/crossrail-2-gets-the-green-light-a3200286.html A hoor of a lot more than half it ought to be. But of course this won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 7 hours ago, bonzo said: Spoiler alert huvnae even seen crossrail 1 Or the Elizabeth Line, as the sycophantic royalist London (sorry 'national') politicians would have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Was that line not broken by the Germans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Crossrail is great, it's put a third onto the value of my house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Crossrail spend was given % spend to Scotland via Barnett Formula so we benefited. I'm guessing Crossrail2 will be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 43 minutes ago, Alan said: Crossrail spend was given % spend to Scotland via Barnett Formula so we benefited. I'm guessing Crossrail2 will be the same. I always thought that crossrail was a Barnett exempt project. Is that not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Parklife said: I always thought that crossrail was a Barnett exempt project. Is that not the case? I remember the Daily Mail were outraged that Scotland benefited to the tune of £500m for Crossrail, going as far to question the Tory Parties "Englishness". No idea about Crossrail 2. Edited March 15, 2016 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Scunnered said: I remember the Daily Mail were outraged that Scotland benefited to the tune of £500m for Crossrail, going as far to question the Tory Parties "Englishness". No idea about Crossrail 2. Daily Mail in talking shite shocker... https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/barnett_consequentials_crossrail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, Parklife said: Daily Mail in talking shite shocker... https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/barnett_consequentials_crossrail "In summary, while Scotland has received a Barnett share of consequentialsfrom the Crossrail project, it is not possible to identify the specificamount received." That's just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, Parklife said: I always thought that crossrail was a Barnett exempt project. Is that not the case? Nope HM Treasury Funding Statement for 15-16 shows both Crossrail and HS2 qualify for 100% Barnett consequentials so every £1 spent then Barnett gets roughly 10p extra for the Scottish Government to spend as it wishes. If you were to compare transport upgrades Crossrail is a brilliant idea and will deliver real change. The Edinburgh Glasgow investment was downgraded so journey times are only going to be about 12 mins shorter which is really disappointing as I travel every day. Glasgow and Edinburgh should be classed as 1 economic hub to attract and promote business and cooperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 16 minutes ago, Parklife said: I always thought that crossrail was a Barnett exempt project. Is that not the case? It was originally classified as UK expenditure and so Barnett exempt but eventually the Treasury caved due to pressure as that was impossible to justify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Can't wait to go down and try it out. Bonus already is Heathrow Express note offering cheap advance fares due to upcoming competition. aaid - post a review when it goes live please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Wish I lived in a world where I loved every decision my governrment made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 8 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Wish I lived in a world where I loved every decision my governrment made. You not happy with the Liberal-National coalition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 59 minutes ago, Alan said: Can't wait to go down and try it out. Bonus already is Heathrow Express note offering cheap advance fares due to upcoming competition. aaid - post a review when it goes live please. I'm assuming that the Heathrow Express will be scrapped as it will be effectively redundant. Unless your destination is actually Paddington, door to door you will be quicker off getting Crossrail into Central London and changing where appropriate. They've missed a trick though that the Heathrow spur can only be accessed into and out of London. Reading station had a massive upgrade a couple of years ago and had they extended the Heathrow spur so that it also goes in the direction of Reading then that could have been a hub with a direct connection to Heathrow that would mean you would not need to go into London to get to Heathrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Alan said: Can't wait to go down and try it out. It'll not really be a novel experience will it? It's still a train or am i missing something about it's construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 26 minutes ago, phart said: It'll not really be a novel experience will it? It's still a train or am i missing something about it's construction? New train line cutting right through London using new trains with lots of new spacious stations. Love that shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, phart said: It'll not really be a novel experience will it? It's still a train or am i missing something about it's construction? I love trains. I wanted to be a train driver when I was a lad. I play Train Simulator :D. I regularly visit railways... Hell I'm going to Yorkshire in the summer and have a whole rail itinerary planned out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Alan said: You not happy with the Liberal-National coalition? Not especially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 17 minutes ago, Alan said: New train line cutting right through London using new trains with lots of new spacious stations. Love that shit. Nah not for me. Looking out the window for sight-seeing might be cool, the rest holds no interest personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 When I travel the transportation system is a big factor in my impression of the place. Central Scotland is linked well but the frequency and speed of services is lagging. The changes being made were "rolled" back from original plans. Won't be enough to make people move from cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Scunnered said: "In summary, while Scotland has received a Barnett share of consequentialsfrom the Crossrail project, it is not possible to identify the specificamount received." That's just stupid. Welcome to the opaque world of the civil service! It does sound stupid, but I can believe it - the Scottish and UK governments aren't always very good at talking to each other. It also rings true that funds might have been diverted from other transport projects to pay for Crossrail. I remember a project to introduce a tram system in Leeds being cancelled in the mid-2000s, a couple of years before Crossrail was given the green light (at the time Leeds was one of the largest cities in Europe not to have some sort of tram or light railway network). By the way, if trains are your thing (and since it's you, I have no reason to believe otherwise ;-) ) and you are in Yorkshire, I recommend a visit to the National Railway Museum in York. You'll be in your element. Edited March 15, 2016 by scotlad typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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