phart Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Yeah if all this effort had been made when it could have changed the result it would be good. After the fact with a turnout of just over 50% isn't a good look. Instead they didn't get their vote out and thought calling everyone a racist/homophobe would be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, phart said: Yeah if all this effort had been made when it could have changed the result it would be good. After the fact with a turnout of just over 50% isn't a good look. Instead they didn't get their vote out and thought calling everyone a racist/homophobe would be enough. Clinton got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump ............ Edit - not that would have been any better of an outcome Edited January 22, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 And how many more million would a 100% voter turnout amount to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Clinton got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump ............ Edit - not that would have been any better of an outcome So?Big cities like NY had 75-80% for Clinton. but popular vote isn't how the race is measured. Wracking up massive advantages in small areas doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 65 million voted for Clinton 62 million voted for trump 90 million didnt vote You could therefore argue that 90 million were against Trump or Clinton and as such protests are not unexpected whoever won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Agreed. I've taken part in 2 large ones. Here's one of my pics from the G20 in Toronto... From the angle of that pic, it looks like you were on the side of the riot police. Did you get to beat anybody up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: 65 million voted for Clinton 62 million voted for trump 90 million didnt vote You could therefore argue that 90 million were against Trump or Clinton and as such protests are not unexpected whoever won Nope. If there'd been 90 miilion spoiled ballots, then you could argue that with legitimacy. As it is, 90 million folk just didn't care enough to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Not sure of the % of that who couldn't vote but would have wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Not sure of the % of that who couldn't vote but would have wanted to. Or what percentage of the protesters that didn't vote but wish that they had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Orraloon said: From the angle of that pic, it looks like you were on the side of the riot police. No, I believe i may have taken that shot from an intersection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Or what percentage of the protesters that didn't vote but wish that they had? True. Although I'd like to think most voted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The obsession with Trump is a cover for many of those calling themselves "left/liberal", as if to claim political decency. They are not "left", neither are they especially "liberal". Much of America's aggression towards the rest of humanity has come from so-called liberal Democratic administrations - such as Obama's. America's political spectrum extends from the mythical centre to the lunar right. The "left" are homeless renegades Martha Gellhorn described as "a rare and wholly admirable fraternity". She excluded those who confuse politics with a fixation on their navels. While they "heal" and "move forward", will the Writers Resist campaigners and other anti-Trumpists reflect upon this? More to the point: when will a genuine movement of opposition arise? Angry, eloquent, all-for-one-and-one-for all. Until real politics return to people's lives, the enemy is not Trump, it is ourselves. http://johnpilger.com/articles/this-week-the-issue-is-not-trump-it-is-ourselves- Documentary film maker and journalists John Pilger's view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 https://theintercept.com/2017/01/20/donald-trump-preaches-angry-nationalism-while-practicing-goldman-sachs-capitalism/ Trumps says one thing but his appointments so far say something completely different. The people who voted for him ideally would be protesting with everyone else about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny's Yard Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Parklife said: Nope. If there'd been 90 miilion spoiled ballots, then you could argue that with legitimacy. As it is, 90 million folk just didn't care enough to vote. Well that is definitely true of a lot of people but also there is also the fact that quite a lot of people are disenfranchised by the electoral college system. For example, the state I live in, democrats always win (since 1988 anyway) so a lot of people, on both sides of the political spectrum, do not bother to vote. I think that might be true in a lot of states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 31 minutes ago, Denny's Yard said: Well that is definitely true of a lot of people but also there is also the fact that quite a lot of people are disenfranchised by the electoral college system. For example, the state I live in, democrats always win (since 1988 anyway) so a lot of people, on both sides of the political spectrum, do not bother to vote. I think that might be true in a lot of states. Blue States became Red though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny's Yard Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Blue States became Red though. Yeah, definitely. Five I think. But that leaves another 45 (plus D.C.) that voted as they did in the previous election. Some of them would have been closer than others but if you live in a state that was not close, and has not been historically, then you might begin to think there is no point voting, giving a reduced overall turnout. A similar situation to what I had when I was first eligible to vote, and lived in Dumbarton. Red rosette on a monkey and all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Trump won by 77 electoral votes (and he wasn't projected to win at all). (If a person is truly upset about the outcome of the election and didn't vote, then they should just bang their head off of a brick wall and be decent enough to leave the rest of society alone.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Trump has to be given a chance and i do wish the media would just back off However he isnt doing himself any favours Electing a guy that cannot accept criticism is not going to end well for anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Absolutely must now be allowed to fail. Hysteria now needs to subside and allow for clear, calm, opposition. He's an utter moron of unbelievable proportions so he's going to screw up in good time. Patience required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny's Yard Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Trump won by 77 electoral votes (and he wasn't projected to win at all). (If a person is truly upset about the outcome of the election and didn't vote, then they should just bang their head off of a brick wall and be decent enough to leave the rest of society alone.) I was addressing the point of why there was a low turn out, rather than getting involve in party politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Trump has to be given a chance and i do wish the media would just back off However he isnt doing himself any favours Electing a guy that cannot accept criticism is not going to end well for anyone 2 hours ago, Auld_Reekie said: Absolutely must now be allowed to fail. Hysteria now needs to subside and allow for clear, calm, opposition. He's an utter moron of unbelievable proportions so he's going to screw up in good time. Patience required. Bizarre though it seems, we should all be hoping that Trump 'succeeds'.......when I say 'succeeds', I mean that he manages to have a generally strong Presidency that helps unite Americans and makes the world a safer place. I don't see how him failing as a President benefits anyone, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, Rossy said: Bizarre though it seems, we should all be hoping that Trump 'succeeds'.......when I say 'succeeds', I mean that he manages to have a generally strong Presidency that helps unite Americans and makes the world a safer place. I don't see how him failing as a President benefits anyone, to be honest. A fair point but I assumed (probably wrongly) that that would be a given. My comment is based on the assumption that he's not going to succeed. My comment stands regardless of whether you think he's going to succeed or fail - the hysteria needs to die down and Trump left to get on with it. If he's going to succeed, he should be given every chance to do so; if he's going to fail, his opponents need to be diligent and determined, and make sure there is no ambiguity if he crosses a line. As always, we're better off when a government is held to account by a harsh but fair media and public. Screaming that he's a monster every other day isn't going to cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 There's a frustrated people of America that has seen their jobs taken away from them to other parts of the world. There are issues with extreme ghettos in some American cities. His comments on race are patronising and demeaning. He expects another country to pay for his country's policy decisions. And he wants to take "ISIS's" oil...middle eastern people's own given resource as a spoil of war. His language is dangerous on a foreign policy level. He can't be condoned. We may be entering an era of protectionist policies on jobs which would be an interesting debate if it wasn't for Trump spoiling the good with the obscene.. Otherwise we're as well shutting Scotland up, giving up the Highlands to Saudi Sheikhs for hunting trips, and all of us moving to Mumbai to compete for all the work in one place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipped flake Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Rossy said: Bizarre though it seems, we should all be hoping that Trump 'succeeds'.......when I say 'succeeds', I mean that he manages to have a generally strong Presidency that helps unite Americans and makes the world a safer place. I don't see how him failing as a President benefits anyone, to be honest. Well one of his first acts has been to start the move to make Jerusalem the recognised capital of Israel, at least as far as the USA is concerned, so I think it's safe to say he will never make the World a safer place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 One of his first official acts has been to stop US funded aid groups from discussing and distributing information about abortion. The bible bashers are delighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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