scotlad Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The first sentence is depressing! As for the rest, I'm surprised at your opinion on Kelly. James Kelly was absolutely right in his stance, and Marwick was out of order (no pun intended). She was a bit nippy, granted, but she kind of has to be in her job. Kelly's response was immature and petulant. All he had to do was politely ask Marwick to bear with him or simply make his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 All he had to do was politely ask Marwick to bear with him He did. Numerous times. I usually appreciate Marwick, she keeps that evil little ##### Swinney at bay, but her conduct and abuse of power shown towards Kelly on such an important issue was disgusting... In my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 How anyone can still suspect you're the same person as Phart is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You're welcome See you at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Cheap and meaningless. I'm Scottish, I have family in Scotland, I'm in Scotland regularly, I'm an SNP member and I have an active, personal and current interest in seeing my country being run to its full potential. I'm also too modest to point out that living abroad widens your perspective and gets you away from narrow, introverted thinking. You should try it sometime. (The part about being too modest isn't true). The rest of your post is simply worthless mantra. During Indyref, with the exception of one hateable old khunt at the bar in The Gellions in Inverness, the only people (and there were loads of them) that ever told me I had no right to an opinion were Unionists like Alan. The ignorant are best ignored! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'm agreeing with thplinth, slightly, i just saw that gif and had to post it regardless of context. You're not doing anything different from SNP supporters, as a result you're both at the apex of patience testing whank for each other. I'm not a partisan so neither side bothers me, although it might do with my huge sense of self-worth and no giving a feck what others think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Now you're being silly. Also from your previous post, I think you underestimate comrade Corbyns popularity down south, Brighton or otherwise. As Plinthy says, what a time to be alive! Given I live down south, I completely understand it. I've lost count of the number of conversations I have with people who have said words to the effect of "I wish we could vote SNP" in the run up to the GE. They didn't actually want to vote for the SNP of course, it's an expression of wanting something other than the Tory light that new Labour had become. Many have joined the Labour Party or have shown strong support for Corbyn. I mentioned Brighton because of the excellent Caroline Lucas - another thing Labour should be ashamed of is they threw the kitchen sink to try and get her unseated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) The first sentence is depressing! As for the rest, I'm surprised at your opinion on Kelly. James Kelly was absolutely right in his stance, and Marwick was out of order (no pun intended). mmm, thaats your first shiyte post in a along time Scunnered. Blinkered? Kelly took too long to get his pint across, he has history in that, a point of order has to be instantaneous, Marwick didnt handle the afters well, but Kelly was at it, and he knew it.. and i suspect so do you.. edit just caught up with thread, oops I strand corrected, i now see you are sticking to your Marwick Bad story.. I know she was elected SNP, but she is no longer. so snp bad , doesnt work here. Kelly was at it, anyone who watches the first part of his 'point of order' can see that. Edited December 22, 2015 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 During Indyref, with the exception of one hateable old khunt at the bar in The Gellions in Inverness, the only people (and there were loads of them) that ever told me I had no right to an opinion were Unionists like Alan. The ignorant are best ignored! Was it this guy? http://youtu.be/nwsjJwPPvos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 don't understand this bit There are still some. In Wales, London or the North of England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Pffft! You asked me a question I gave you my answer, I'm not going to go out my way Yeah, you only go out of your way when you're counting the number of threads derailed by nasty Nats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Was it this guy? http://youtu.be/nwsjJwPPvos Ha ha. No, my guy in The Gellions was a Nationalist (don't think you're allowed in unless you are). The point I was making was that other than him, the only people inclined to tell you that you had no right to any opinion were Unionists. Anyway, I know you weren't being serious and we're just using my mention of Inverness as an excuse to post that clip of your run of the mill, standard unionist. Alan isn't from Inverness is he? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Was it this guy? http://youtu.be/nwsjJwPPvos Is Alan from Inverness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Ha ha. No, my guy in The Gellions was a Nationalist (don't think you're allowed in unless you are). The point I was making was that other than him, the only people inclined to tell you that you had no right to any opinion were Unionists. Anyway, I know you weren't being serious and we're just using my mention of Inverness as an excuse to post that clip of your run of the mill, standard unionist. Alan isn't from Inverness is he? :-) You saw through my ruse. Ive been in Gellions and I agree, I don't think that guy would get over the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What was the latest polling anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What was the latest polling anyway? Scottish Parliament voting intention (const.): SNP: 58% (-) LAB: 21% (-3) CON: 12% (-) LDEM: 4% (-) Scottish Parliament voting intention (list): SNP: 54% (+2) LAB: 20% (-5) CON: 12% (+1) GRN: 9% (+4) LDEM: 3% (-1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The SNP are a bit Trump like in that all these cock ups the media keep reporting only seem to result in ever increasing poll leads. I dearly hope we are entering a post media age where folk have realised the mainstream media is the last thing place to trust. In fact it seems to me folk are voting for whoever they the media hate. Sound tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The first sentence is depressing! As for the rest, I'm surprised at your opinion on Kelly. James Kelly was absolutely right in his stance, and Marwick was out of order (no pun intended). What was his point though.? Apart from getting himself noticed in the vain hope that he might get put on a list somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Given I live down south, I completely understand it. I've lost count of the number of conversations I have with people who have said words to the effect of "I wish we could vote SNP" in the run up to the GE. They didn't actually want to vote for the SNP of course, it's an expression of wanting something other than the Tory light that new Labour had become. Many have joined the Labour Party or have shown strong support for Corbyn. I mentioned Brighton because of the excellent Caroline Lucas - another thing Labour should be ashamed of is they threw the kitchen sink to try and get her unseated. The above is one of the main puzzles I can't get my head around. The SNP are New Labour. Centralised, controlled with fantastic spin and PR. Their politicians sign an agreement to never criticise the party hence no backbench rebellions, matching lanyards and pretty flowers on first day of HoC. Their policies practically mirrored Labour during GE2015 with a token exception of something like Trident. Their tax and spending mirrored Labour but they wanted to borrow more. In reality they do very little to end "austerity". Swinneys budget practically mirror Osbourne with it centred around middle classes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any party trying to defeat another during an election. Edited December 22, 2015 by Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) I actually wonder if Corbyn is England labour's pseudo-independence movement. They (the left) got a taste of real revolution during the referendum for the first time in a long time... and so hey presto Corbyn. After years of sucking Tony Cock they remember why got into the job and re-elect a real socialist. It is independence that has re-enlived the left. We are like a infusion into a vampire corpse. Edited December 22, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The above is one of the main puzzles I can't get my head around. The SNP are New Labour. Centralised, controlled with fantastic spin and PR. Their politicians sign an agreement to never criticise the party hence no backbench rebellions, matching lanyards and pretty flowers on first day of HoC. Their policies practically mirrored Labour during GE2015 with a token exception of something like Trident. Their tax and spending mirrored Labour but they wanted to borrow more. In reality they do very little to end "austerity". Swinneys budget practically mirror Osbourne with it centred around middle classes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any party trying to defeat another during an election. It could mean huge numbers of us have given up on Westminster and that the SNP and independence are a means to an end. That's it for me for sure. I'm not interested in a British Labour government that would only rule for a few years before they're kicked out and we end up back where we started. Is that so impossible to comprehend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 It could mean huge numbers of us have given up on Westminster and that the SNP and independence are a means to an end. That's it for me for sure. I'm not interested in a British Labour government that would only rule for a few years before they're kicked out and we end up back where we started. Is that so impossible to comprehend? Yes. Scotland is not a left leaning country. It's a myth. Nationalism has allowed Westminster to be demonised while City Chambers, Holyrood and Brussels/Strasbourg have limited scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yes. Scotland is not a left leaning country. It's a myth. Nationalism has allowed Westminster to be demonised while City Chambers, Holyrood and Brussels/Strasbourg have limited scrutiny. Aha, so the reason we don't all vote Tory is cos we're all thick and don't understand politics. What if we were left-leaning, would my logic be sound then? I'm happy to take my chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I don't think Scotland is inherently a left wing country. We are very much into helping the weak. But we also believe in hard work and being smart should be rewarded. Or more accurately Scots don't like piss takers. Scotland may have gone left wing post Yes vote but I doubt she would have been some soft touch... ahhhh I would have loved to have seen it unfold.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Yes. Scotland is not a left leaning country. It's a myth. Nationalism has allowed Westminster to be demonised while City Chambers, Holyrood and Brussels/Strasbourg have limited scrutiny. It's definitely not a right leaning country though is it? The Tories have been toxic in Scotland for an awfy long time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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