Auld_Reekie Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'd suggest you're not paying attention. He is attracting a lot of support from the electorate, just not in Scotland which as Alan has pointed out is currently lost to Nationalism, whether for the better or worse, remains to be seen. It's all to do with nationalism. If you think that's what is happening in Scotland, I've been giving you far too much credit all this time. Dont get me wrong, there's a nationalist vote that was there before he came in, but since, it has very little to do with independence. Are you honestly suggesting that if independence wasn't a thing in Scotland, people would be voting Scottish Labour? Would they f***. Anyone thinking Labour's (or the Tories and LibDems) problem is independence, is part of the problem. I mean look at them. Properly look at their party and their leaders. Dugdale, Davidson, Rennie. Davidson is managing to hold up her vote because she's sitting on her hands doing nothing while Labour take the pounding. Im voting for who I want to run the country for the next 5 years. It's not nationalism that compels me to want Labour, Tories and LibDems as far away from power as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) I'd suggest you're not paying attention. He is attracting a lot of support from the electorate, just not in Scotland which as Alan has pointed out is currently lost to Nationalism, whether for the better or worse, remains to be seen. He is doing better than Ed Unelectable Miliband I'll give you that but still would lose to Old Pig's Head. Anway I'd better stop talking to you or I'll get another row. You are a bad sort apparently. My prediction is Corbyn will be politically assassinated by a cabal of his own MP’s and a compliant media and opposition. Corbyn is a threat to them all in the same way independence was a threat to them all so they will all work together to make sure he fails. That in turn will cause a similar reaction to labour south of the border that happened post No north of the border. Edited December 22, 2015 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 It's ###### all to do with nationalism. If you think that's what is happening in Scotland, I've been giving you far too much credit all this time. Away with your condescending pish It's been clear for quite some time I've been giving you far too much credit... But only since September 2014. You used to be one of my favourite posters on here, intelligent, articulate and always entertaining. The referendum defeat has changed you, and not in a good way, not at all. And not just when it comes to politics, your entire posting style has changed. It saddens me . How anyone can still suspect you're the same person as Phart is beyond me. Oh, and by the by. After your whinging about me derailing threads I've been taken a note of any unrelated threads that have been derailed into politics. In the last 6 days we're into double figures. 11 derailed by Nationalist posters and 1 derailed by Unionist. There was a poster last week who said something so ridiculously stupid that it actually induced Cataplexy when I read it, when I'd recovered I saw it being quoted and referred to as an excellent point, it ####ed me again. I love my Natty friends dearly, but by you're bad for my health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Nationalism. Pure and simple. Kills debate. SNP domestic record is poor. Sturgeon could punch a kitten and still be applauded. Nationalism. Utterly depressing in every country. You just keep on repeating this trash as if it's true. Crime levels at a record low. NHS Scotland outperforming the rest of the UK (see BBC report). Building of new, affordable housing at record levels. Solid investment being made in infrastructure all over the country. On top of these concrete and tangible achievements, the SNP have given Scotland a voice that it hasn't had for over 300 years. And people like that. Suck it up. There's a way to go, but we're heading in the right direction.....there's no way back to the pathetic dependency that people like you desire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Away with your condescending pish It's been clear for quite some time I've been giving you far too much credit... But only since September 2014. You used to be one of my favourite posters on here, intelligent, articulate and always entertaining. The referendum defeat has changed you, and not in a good way, not at all. And not just when it comes to politics, your entire posting style has changed. It saddens me . How anyone can still suspect you're the same person as Phart is beyond me. Oh, and by the by. After your whinging about me derailing threads I've been taken a note of any unrelated threads that have been derailed into politics. In the last 6 days we're into double figures. 11 derailed by Nationalist posters and 1 derailed by Unionist. There was a poster last week who said something so ridiculously stupid that it actually induced Cataplexy when I read it, when I'd recovered I saw it being quoted and referred to as an excellent point, it ####ed me again. I love my Natty friends dearly, but by ###### you're bad for my health. Aye right you socialists can't even master the quote button that is how useless you lot are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You just keep on repeating this trash as if it's true. Crime levels at a record low. NHS Scotland outperforming the rest of the UK (see BBC report). Building of new, affordable housing at record levels. Solid investment being made in infrastructure all over the country. On top of these concrete and tangible achievements, the SNP have given Scotland a voice that it hasn't had for over 300 years. And people like that. Suck it up. There's a way to go, but we're heading in the right direction.....there's no way back to the pathetic dependency that people like you desire. You have indepth experience and impact of Scottish domestic policies from the Netherlands. Dependency and "a voice"! Nationalism. Pure and simple with historical revisionism to benefit nationalist politics with a "one size fits all" ideology sprinkled with righteous grievance. Education still depends on your postcode. Health still depends on your postcode. Middle class subsidies and tax freezes. Infrastructure fuelled by debt. Talk left, act right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Aye right you socialists can't even master the quote button that is how useless you lot are. Post still applies. You're a bit pish now. Auld_Reekie as well for that one post, but he's generally a good lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Health still depends on your postcode. Absolutely. I can't get the medication I need, due to Ayrshire and Arran healthboard... Yet if I stayed 6 miles over in Renfrewshire I'd be prescribed no problem, much to my consultants disgust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Sectioned mare like ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Sectioned mare like ! Classy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Thanks awfully @fishcumnock.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Post still applies. You're a bit pish now. You've always been pish. Pishishin Heal Thyself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You have indepth experience and impact of Scottish domestic policies from the Netherlands. Dependency and "a voice"! Nationalism. Pure and simple with historical revisionism to benefit nationalist politics with a "one size fits all" ideology sprinkled with righteous grievance. Education still depends on your postcode. Health still depends on your postcode. Middle class subsidies and tax freezes. Infrastructure fuelled by debt. Talk left, act right. Yes, we should be more like the rest of the UK with its flat class structure and equal opportunities for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You've always been pish. Pishishin Heal Thyself! I think this might be the end of our beautiful friendship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 We all moving to Cambridgeshire ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilly71 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think being part of an effectiove opposition is knowing what and when to highlight failings in services rather than creating problems that dont exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Nationalism. Pure and simple. Kills debate. SNP domestic record is poor. Sturgeon could punch a kitten and still be applauded. Nationalism. Utterly depressing in every country. is that your British Nationalism you are talking about Alan.? Nothing is good in Scotland, snp bad.. only good is London... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think this might be the end of our beautiful friendship Is this coz i said... "Anyway I'd better stop talking to you or I'll get another row. You are a bad sort apparently." I was actually being sarcastic but maybe that did not carry over. I can see now you can flip on the slightest misunderstanding. If we were living in your communist utopia you'd probably have had me shot me there without trial. Touchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) You have indepth experience and impact of Scottish domestic policies from the Netherlands. Dependency and "a voice"! Nationalism. Pure and simple with historical revisionism to benefit nationalist politics with a "one size fits all" ideology sprinkled with righteous grievance. Education still depends on your postcode. Health still depends on your postcode. Middle class subsidies and tax freezes. Infrastructure fuelled by debt. Talk left, act right. Cheap and meaningless. I'm Scottish, I have family in Scotland, I'm in Scotland regularly, I'm an SNP member and I have an active, personal and current interest in seeing my country being run to its full potential. I'm also too modest to point out that living abroad widens your perspective and gets you away from narrow, introverted thinking. You should try it sometime. (The part about being too modest isn't true). The rest of your post is simply worthless mantra. Edited December 22, 2015 by Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Is this coz i said... "Anyway I'd better stop talking to you or I'll get another row. You are a bad sort apparently." I was actually being sarcastic but maybe that did not carry over. I can see now you can flip on the slightest misunderstanding. If we were living in your communist utopia you'd probably have had me shot me there without trial. Touchy. No! It's because you are a very bad man! Shooting is too good for Nat dogs! Gulag for the lot of you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Cheap and meaningless. I'm Scottish, I have family in Scotland, I'm in Scotland regularly, I'm an SNP member and I have an active, personal and current interest in seeing my country being run to its full potential. I'm also too modest to point out that living abroad widens your perspective and gets you away from narrow, introverted thinking. You should try it sometime. (The part about being too modest isn't true). The rest of your post is simply worthless mantra. Its not "cheap and meaningless". You bound on here ranting and raving when policies don't impact you. You have a nationalist superiority of believing only SNP members want a country being run to its full potential. Yet the economic argument of independence has proven to be a lie. There is no domestic debate within the party on how to improve Scotland. It's all top down. If SNP really cared about Scotland than keeping power it would be radical but with its total majority but it doesn't. I've lived away and this has helped me be totally dumbfounded by the Scottish exceptionalism that nationalism promotes. I'm not a waver of any flags. I'm not that comfortable singing national anthems with gusto. Seen couple of replies talking about Westminster and London which have nothing to do with Holyrood policies which shows how nationalism skews any domestic debate or insight but back to Scotland v England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Its not "cheap and meaningless". You bound on here ranting and raving when policies don't impact you. You have a nationalist superiority of believing only SNP members want a country being run to its full potential. Yet the economic argument of independence has proven to be a lie. There is no domestic debate within the party on how to improve Scotland. It's all top down. If SNP really cared about Scotland than keeping power it would be radical but with its total majority but it doesn't. I've lived away and this has helped me be totally dumbfounded by the Scottish exceptionalism that nationalism promotes. I'm not a waver of any flags. I'm not that comfortable singing national anthems with gusto. Seen couple of replies talking about Westminster and London which have nothing to do with Holyrood policies which shows how nationalism skews any domestic debate or insight but back to Scotland v England. I don't have the time or energy to pick everything apart in that rant, other than to say that you know nothing about me and my personal situation and how policies (made both at Holyrood and Westminster )im pact on me now and in the future.....you're taking the simpleton's view that because I live abroad at this moment I should have no opinion. The only other thing I'll say is that every single post you make is through the prism of your hatred for the SNP and for Scottish self-determination. You should maybe take a look at your posts, and see if you recognise yourself in your sneering opinions of 'nationalists'. On everything else, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I wonder if you are so passionate about Dutch politics and the challenges the Netherlands faces including national identity and self governance. The Nationalist superiority of my "hatred for the SNP and for Scottish self-determination". I don't hate any political party. That's zoomer behaviour. Self-determination was the referendum which was over a year ago. Time to look at domestic policies and performance which people don't really do which I confess I do hate. Any SNP decision is classed by a nationalist as "in Scotland's interest" hence Swinney cutting local authority budget is accepted by hardcore nationalists and those ex-Labour voters who 10 years ago would have went ape shit but now accept. Debate is stifled. Polls are illogical. Nationalism to win in any country has to destroy the labour movement hence "Red Tory" and far left groups including Greens co-opting nationalism. It delegitimises opposition and dehumanises individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Nationalism. Pure and simple. Kills debate. SNP domestic record is poor. Sturgeon could punch a kitten and still be applauded. Nationalism. Utterly depressing in every country. Pish opposition parties sending second level candidates to holyrood is what kills debate. The better politicians in the Tories, Labour and LibDems all want to be at Westminster so their candidates for holyrood are (with a very small number of exceptions) second rate. That means the three major UK parties make life very easy for the SNP. Basically, the reason the SNP get an easier ride than they should is because of the other three main parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Neil is an excellent politician, one of the best in Scotland. Agree with that completely. Neil Findlay is what the Labour Party in Scotland should be aiming towards. But they went with Kezia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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