Caledonian Craig Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 This whole scenario blows the wild theory out of the water purpotrated by some that Nicola Sturgeon was some sort of a Westminster plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said: I've said this for months but I just don't think I'll vote. Absolutely scunnered with SNP, not voting Alba and never voting for any of the rest. There's a danger that's how the rest get in though. For the last few elections round here it's been SNP or Tory. I don't fancy having the likes of Stephen Kerr as my MP again. The last two by-elections in this area have gone Tory but with a very low turnout. That's wealthy Dunblane/Bridge of Allan for you though with lots of folk moved there from England too. It just shows how the cuts and asset stripping have worked fine for some. They might as well put "I'm alright Jack" as an option on the ballot paper. There's also what @Orraloonsaid about voting being a big deal. I didn't get round to voting once about 20 years ago, can't remember why. I got loads of grief because of women struggling to get the vote in the first place and I regretted not taking it more seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 36 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said: There's a danger that's how the rest get in though. For the last few elections round here it's been SNP or Tory. I don't fancy having the likes of Stephen Kerr as my MP again. The last two by-elections in this area have gone Tory but with a very low turnout. That's wealthy Dunblane/Bridge of Allan for you though with lots of folk moved there from England too. It just shows how the cuts and asset stripping have worked fine for some. They might as well put "I'm alright Jack" as an option on the ballot paper. There's also what @Orraloonsaid about voting being a big deal. I didn't get round to voting once about 20 years ago, can't remember why. I got loads of grief because of women struggling to get the vote in the first place and I regretted not taking it more seriously. Get that, i also think that SNP have become reliant on folk thinking that way and the direction of the party have shown this. I have zero belief that the current SNP could get anywhere near delivering a referendum, never mind a majority. Sad state of affairs but it's largely self inflicted.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I likely will end up voting SNP, as i like the candidate more than the party itself. If it wasn't a candidate i knew fairly well, then i 100% would not vote this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 7 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Get that, i also think that SNP have become reliant on folk thinking that way and the direction of the party have shown this. I have zero belief that the current SNP could get anywhere near delivering a referendum, never mind a majority. Sad state of affairs but it's largely self inflicted.  There is no way to 'get' a referendum in this union anyway. The only way it is attainable in over 300 years is by Westminster granting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 28 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: There is no way to 'get' a referendum in this union anyway. The only way it is attainable in over 300 years is by Westminster granting it. Which i guess might be the plausible in a hung parliament but i wouldn't bet on it even in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Alister Jack deleted ALL his Whatsapp messages and had a grand old chummy time at the enquiry Hardly a peep Nicola politicised the pandemic and she is a cow claimed Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 14 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Which i guess might be the plausible in a hung parliament but i wouldn't bet on it even in that situation. Agreed. There was a hung parliament in 2010 and it never brought about a referendum and although there was one in 1974 and no referendum there was not the support for independence then to the degree it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 16 hours ago, Grim Jim said: Some of what the Wee Ginger Dug says (in tomorrow's National?):  They have cut off the head TWICE, and are currently destroying the independence movement, and some folk think letting Starmer's Brit Nat Tories take Scottish seats will be a good idea! Have a wee think about it.  Spot on. We are in a war of independence and the MSM are engaged in trying to sway opinion in Scotland - their aim is to dupe people into voting Labour - pro-brexit anti-indy Labour - and it seems that many gullible folk are falling for it. Not voting at all is bad enough, but voting for these unionist cunts is beyond the pale. In any upcoming election, the SNP need to put indy in the first like of their manifesto. No ifs or buts. Failing to do that would confirm that some at the top don't want it. we need a statement that the indy movement as a whole can support - and that should include holding out an olive branch to the other pro-indy parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, TDYER63 said: Totally agree. I would like to know the grand plan of the ‘dont vote for the SNP ‘  independence supporters. Do people really think that ‘teaching them a wee lesson’ is in any way going to advance independence? When Labour are back in power in the UK and Scotland and supported by anti independence parties on all sides . I would like someone to elaborate on how this is going to work.   Spot on. The SNP needs some changes on peripheral policies, but primarily it's a force for indy or it's nothing. And if the SNP flops at the next election, it will be used against us for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: I get that and i might change my mind. Just totally disillusioned by politics in general. Large part of that is the SNP sleepwalking the past few years and little, if any, talk of how we get independence.  I don't think the SNP can get us independence on their own. I think we are totally relying on voters in England allowing us another chance. But we need a reasonable number of SNP MPs if we want to make use of that chance whenever (if ever) it might happen.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Alibi said: Spot on. We are in a war of independence and the MSM are engaged in trying to sway opinion in Scotland - their aim is to dupe people into voting Labour - pro-brexit anti-indy Labour - and it seems that many gullible folk are falling for it. Not voting at all is bad enough, but voting for these unionist cunts is beyond the pale. In any upcoming election, the SNP need to put indy in the first like of their manifesto. No ifs or buts. Failing to do that would confirm that some at the top don't want it. we need a statement that the indy movement as a whole can support - and that should include holding out an olive branch to the other pro-indy parties. you make it sound like a coordinated unionist conspiracy.  I will probably vote Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 16 minutes ago, Malcolm said: you make it sound like a coordinated unionist conspiracy. Every election after the 2015 GE has been a coordinated unionist tactical vote in Scotland It's why there has to be a Scotland United ticket  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 26 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Every election after the 2015 GE has been a coordinated unionist tactical vote in Scotland It's why there has to be a Scotland United ticket  And zero chance of it happening under the current SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Malcolm said: you make it sound like a coordinated unionist conspiracy.  I will probably vote Tory. 😆 Edited February 1 by TDYER63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: you make it sound like a coordinated unionist conspiracy.  I will probably vote Tory. The way things are going, you might be the only one left voting for them in the whole of the UK 😃. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 hours ago, Alibi said:  In any upcoming election, the SNP need to put indy in the first like of their manifesto. No ifs or buts. Failing to do that would confirm that some at the top don't want it. we need a statement that the indy movement as a whole can support - and that should include holding out an olive branch to the other pro-indy parties. This is crucial . Their lack of effort to work with other parties is probably the thing that infuriates me the most. If they continue to deny the threat to independence through stubbornness and petty differences then they may as well shut up shop. Some indy supporters need to take a look at themselves too. We are in a situation where unionists are united and actually prepared to vote for ANY party to get the SNP out , and we have independence supporters saying ‘if you want independence dont vote for the SNP’ . From where I am sitting there is only one outcome from those two actions, and it’s not independence . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hertsscot Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Thanks for posting that. It sums up the whole charade. I don't expect to see shrill headlines about 'Union' Jack in tomorrows Express or Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 The difference in the treatment of NS and Alister Jack must be blatantly obvious to even the most blinkered unionist. The UK inquiry has been set up as a "get the SNP" charade; a de facto show trial worthy of soviet Russia. They don't give a fuck about the inconsistencies in how different folk are treated. FMQ today was ridiculous with Ross and Sarwar eager to put the boot in. I amn't by any means a Sturgeon loyalist, but the way she is being vilified is like something from the McCarthy era in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: 😆 Malcolm just proved my point. Unionists and house jocks think it's too far fetched to be a unionist conspiracy against the snp, even when it's blatantly obvious what's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 There is another Believe in Scotland online congress on 17 Feb. If you are a member of an affiliated YES group or know a delegate you may be able to get access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Hertsscot said: The way things are going, you might be the only one left voting for them in the whole of the UK 😃. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaundy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Embdy watching Question time🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaundy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Where to start . I think there will be a political quickening this year and the last general election for the UK . Scotland needs one candidate for independence in however few dozen MPs they allow Scotland in London. If there’s not a credible candidate within each constituency I would be amazed. Crowd fund . A lot of the candidates will be nominated yet self proposal should not be a reason for exclusion.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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