The Black Bra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Dint think they’re that keen on us either, due to the penalties in ‘77 & ‘85. I remember coming across a TV programme a few years ago, must have been on BBC Wales or Channel 4 Wales which was all about the disgrace of the penalty in ‘77. They even had aloe Jordan on there, answering for his sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Bra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 ‘Joe Jordan’, fer fucksake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Prestersktid said: For me it's because of the 2014 campaign where they beat us home and away. The away game Bale diving for a penalty and Scotland having a goal chalked off because ball supposedly went out of play from a corner (still convinced it didn't) There's a tinge of envy in it for me as I wish we had an element of their self belief. However bugs the shit out of me how arrogant they are - you'd think they were a footballing powerhouse the way they talk about qualification rather than it just being their turn to have had a few decent players. In the rugby before Argentina they were dark horses to win the thing but after getting knocked out they were 'plucky' Wales just getting there past Fiji and a terrible Australian side. Edited October 16, 2023 by ThistleWhistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandC Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: Turkey have actually qualfied. Of course still a formula that all three could end up on 16 points but in the triple head to head that puts Turkey on 6 points. Croatia only on 4 points given it's 1 point from Wales games and they lost at home to Turkey the other day. Think Modric has already said Euros will be his last tournament so again Croatia might not be a bad team to draw in World cup as assume they'll remain in pot 1 and watching them last night their quality in final third has declined compared to 5 years ago, certainly don't have a CF of quality of Mandzukic. If they qualify now they'll be in Pot 3 or 4 as Turkey have won the group and the best they can do is a 2nd place finish. They won't be near the best 2nd place so won't get Pot 2. One to avoid as although they might not be the team they were, they're still a quality aide and do well in tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, JandC said: If they qualify now they'll be in Pot 3 or 4 as Turkey have won the group and the best they can do is a 2nd place finish. They won't be near the best 2nd place so won't get Pot 2. One to avoid as although they might not be the team they were, they're still a quality aide and do well in tournaments. Turkey haven't won the group yet. Croatia win their last two games. Wales beat Turkey but not Armenia. Then Croatia win the group with a better H2H over Turkey. Any of the 3 teams can still win the group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 12:03 PM, Prestersktid said: For me it's because of the 2014 campaign where they beat us home and away. The away game Bale diving for a penalty and Scotland having a goal chalked off because ball supposedly went out of play from a corner (still convinced it didn't) No way the ball was out, I remember it well. Imagine if we had var back then, we may have even qualified on the back of that goal being allowed and us going on to win the game followed by a boost in confidence for the games thereafter. Ifs, buts, maybes I know but I'd still love to know how we'd have fared in previous campaigns if var was a thing 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfingers Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Bumping this thread up. Looking like they are relying on the play offs to qualify. Doubt Croatia will mess it up from here. No idea what teams Wales will be facing in the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 They were lucky not to lose away to Armenia today. They had more possession and more chances. But for better finishing they could have won comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, bigfingers said: Bumping this thread up. Looking like they are relying on the play offs to qualify. Doubt Croatia will mess it up from here. No idea what teams Wales will be facing in the play offs. Unreal that Wales are guaranteed a playoff having amassed a grand total of 1 point in their Nations League group. This whole Nations League playoff system was created as a safety net for any 'big' nations that somehow slipped up in normal qualifying. Just so happens that, as a by-product, it does aid lesser teams also. We really need to make sure we avoid relegation from League A so that we can have that (more or less) guaranteed playoff spot for the next Euros Edited November 18, 2023 by todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, todd said: Unreal that Wales are guaranteed a playoff having amassed a grand total of 1 point in their Nations League group. This whole Nations League playoff system was created as a safety net for any 'big' nations that somehow slipped up in normal qualifying. Just so happens that, as a by-product, it does aid lesser teams also. We really need to make sure we avoid relegation from League A so that we can have that (more or less) guaranteed playoff spot for the next Euros It’s also unreal that they still have a slim chance of qualifying automatically given how poor they’ve been through the group. Obviously taking 4 points off Croatia has kept them in it but they have been very poor in the rest of their games from what I have seen. Croatia can consider themselves very lucky that automatic qualification is in their own hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Texas Pete said: It’s also unreal that they still have a slim chance of qualifying automatically given how poor they’ve been through the group. Obviously taking 4 points off Croatia has kept them in it but they have been very poor in the rest of their games from what I have seen. Croatia can consider themselves very lucky that automatic qualification is in their own hands. Yep, the group of dearth that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 I'd back our current squad to skelp that lot right now. Post chimp face and Aaron Ramsey their golden period is at an end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandC Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 They're a strange side at the moment. They played brilliantly against Croatia in the last qualifier but were rubbish today and were lucky to get a draw in the end. Im just so glad we don't need the play-off as so much depends on getting the home tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, JandC said: They're a strange side at the moment. They played brilliantly against Croatia in the last qualifier but were rubbish today and were lucky to get a draw in the end. Im just so glad we don't need the play-off as so much depends on getting the home tie. Playing away in Serbia didn’t hurt us and playing Ukraine at Hampden didn’t help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 7 hours ago, Texas Pete said: Playing away in Serbia didn’t hurt us and playing Ukraine at Hampden didn’t help us. At an empty stadium in Belgrade!!! Probably the best thing about the whole COVID thing was the lack of a fairly partisan crowd at that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burj_Alba Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Think they might have Poland and maybe Italy for company in the playoffs. 😵💫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandC Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Texas Pete said: Playing away in Serbia didn’t hurt us and playing Ukraine at Hampden didn’t help us. I know but I'm sure you'd agree that over the course of games, we'd have a better chance at Hampden than playing away and that's something that comes down to a coin toss for the final. Anyway, it looks like they'll get a play off now so at least they have another chance at it. They'll certainly need to up their game though as Armenia looked miles ahead of them yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Burj_Alba said: Think they might have Poland and maybe Italy for company in the playoffs. 😵💫 And, possibly Norway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Orraloon said: And, possibly Norway? I think Norway are out out mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, JandC said: I know but I'm sure you'd agree that over the course of games, we'd have a better chance at Hampden than playing away and that's something that comes down to a coin toss for the final. Anyway, it looks like they'll get a play off now so at least they have another chance at it. They'll certainly need to up their game though as Armenia looked miles ahead of them yesterday. Hopefully Wales get papped out. Can stand the love in that comes with them, they're like a diet England 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: I think Norway are out out mate Are you sure? I thought they could still get a playoff spot? Could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Burj_Alba said: Think they might have Poland and maybe Italy for company in the playoffs. 😵💫 More likely Ukraine rather than Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Just now, Caledonian Craig said: More likely Ukraine rather than Italy. I think that if Ukraine need a playoff it will be in the League B playoff path. Wales are in the League A playoff path. Although VDA has made me doubt everything I thought I knew about the playoffs. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Are you sure? I thought they could still get a playoff spot? Could be wrong though. I read they needed Israel to win but as Romania beat Israel.....Norway are oot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Just now, Orraloon said: I think that if Ukraine need a playoff it will be in the League B playoff path. Wales are in the League A playoff path. Although VDA has made me doubt everything I thought I knew about the playoffs. 😂 Don't bank on me being right, there every chance I've got this wrong. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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