Malcolm Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I guess we are about to find out? But I have a feeling that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Malcolm said: I guess we are about to find out? But I have a feeling that they are. They have what we lack - a cracking striker who scores goals for fun. That makes a huge difference to a side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Not sure I want to watch this match but alas I have it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 Two yellow cards for wales already…. I wonder if we will see the ref favouring Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Of course they are. At the moment anyway. Once Bale, Ramsey and a couple of others retire I expect them to eventually slip back into pot 5/6 obscurity where they languished for years. They are very much in their golden period which, sadly, we had years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I said in couple of the other threads that wales and even Ireland believe they have a lot of quality and good sides , the players I mean. There is less of the scared factor with them and they do get stuck in to these type of games . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Loved how they were wrapping bale in cotton wool yet he has played 20 minutes of club football in 3 months. even the keeper for them doesn’t get games at club level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Of course they are. At the moment anyway. Once Bale, Ramsey and a couple of others retire I expect them to eventually slip back into pot 5/6 obscurity where they languished for years. They are very much in their golden period which, sadly, we had years ago. I don't think they're that bad without their key players. Pot 4 to me seems like their base with Championship level players and a handful of Premier League ones available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Clyde1998 said: I don't think they're that bad without their key players. Pot 4 to me seems like their base with Championship level players and a handful of Premier League ones available. Sounds like another team we know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Wales definitely benefit from being tied to the mega rich English league system with all the extra investment in youth development. That said watching this Ukraine are again looking the technically superior side.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I think Ukraine will win this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: I think Ukraine will win this. Best chances falling to them so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, Clyde1998 said: I don't think they're that bad without their key players. Pot 4 to me seems like their base with Championship level players and a handful of Premier League ones available. If you take out their 5/6 best players we have a much, much better squad than them. Their key players give the rest of their squad confidence and belief they are going to win. Once that goes they’ll go back to how they’ve been for the 40 years prior to this period. Unless they come up with some more fantastic players in the next couple of years which is possible but unlikely. These things happen in cycles. Iceland, for example, were very good for a few years and now they’re not. If Wales don’t win tonight I’d expect at least a couple of retirements over the next few weeks. They really need to take this chance tonight or they might not get to a World Cup for another few decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Toepoke said: Best chances falling to them so far. I'm not even watching it. I just think they are a better team. The better team doesn't always win though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I think Ukraine will win this. They should really have scored there. They have had a few good chances already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 They know how to play the 3-5-2 much better. Been playing it since about 2006. They do have some good youngsters coming through so not sure they'll quite fall off the cliff once Bale calls it a day, Brennan Johnson had a fantastic season for Forest and will probably do well in premier league. Remember the fuss about trying to call up his old man in late 90s? (David Johnson). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandC Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 They have Bale who can change a game and we don’t have a player anywhere near that. Once he retires then they’ll be a completely different side. I’m still annoyed about the lack of intensity we showed on Wednesday and it played totally into their hands. I’m really not sure why Clarke thought that was the best tactic but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: They know how to play the 3-5-2 much better. Been playing it since about 2006. They do have some good youngsters coming through so not sure they'll quite fall off the cliff once Bale calls it a day, Brennan Johnson had a fantastic season for Forest and will probably do well in premier league. Remember the fuss about trying to call up his old man in late 90s? (David Johnson). They will always have some good players but will they always have Bale/Ramsey class players? Especially ones that are so passionate about playing for their country? They are not a 1 or 2 man team to be fair. They play very well together but I would be surprised if they are anywhere near this close to qualifying for a World Cup again in the next 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 Ukraine are looking very good. Â Wales are making a much better fist of it than us - far better organised than us and pressing well. Â I think they would have comfortably beaten us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 See what can happen if you go forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, thesaint said: See what can happen if you go forward Big fucking slice of luck also helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 There's the difference- we were embarrassed to compete for 60 minutes whereas diet England celebrate like fuck when one of the poor bastards scores an own goal. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Ukraine have less of an advantage here. They’ve played a tough game four days ago and haven’t had months to prepare for this one.  I suppose they may have had a look at what they’d do against Wales but the focus must’ve been on Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: Big fucking slice of luck also helps. totally true, however Wales are much more up for this than we were. Â They are getting stuck in to them and getting some luck in the right areas of the pitch. Â Makes me even more disgusted at our insipid performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Big fucking slice of luck also helps. Aye, but youve got to hit the shot at goal first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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