thplinth Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, aaid said: "our side" - so Putin then Is that me back in Russia again? I was in South America again earlier this morning. I do get about (in your somewhat unhinged mind). 😀 Yours thplinth guevara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Doea anyone still not believe me that thplinth is a Russian agent? otherwise why would he be spouting Kremlin propaganda and taking points every single day? Even the most ardent believer would occasionally stray from the playbook but not thplinth. He’s “on topic” every single day. it’s also getting more desperate as each day goes on - perhaps in direct correlation to how bad the invasion is going? Maybe just the day rates are increasing? Edited March 10, 2022 by SpecialisedOutsourcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orraloon Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, thplinth said: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=w Self-anointed "fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth and label such claims false. This is from RT via another site. Very disturbing claims. https://williambowles.info/2022/03/07/russia-makes-new-claims-on-us-financed-biolabs-in-ukraine/ The US has “covered” Ukraine with a network of biolaboratories linked to the Pentagon, the Russian Defense Ministry says The Ukrainian authorities have been urgently destroying pathogens studied at its laboratories linked to the US Department of Defense, the Russian military claimed on Monday, adding that such activities hint at the military purposes of these studies. As many as 30 biological laboratories have been established in Ukraine that are actively cooperating with the US military, the commander of the Russian radiological, chemical and biological defense force, Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, said at a news briefing on Monday. The list of these laboratories’ partners includes the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR) – the largest biomedical research facility administered by the US military; the general added. Many of these laboratories have been active since the 2014 coup d’état in Ukraine and their emergence in the country has coincided with a spike in infectious diseases in the region, including German measles, diphtheria and tuberculosis, the Russian military said. You have to assume this stuff is already in the hands of the neo-nazis. And they will use them for sure and try to frame the Russians. It is almost a certainty at this point. The only hope is that they somehow managed to keep them out of their hands. The idea that Russia would use them is utter bollocks. If Russia wanted to use these weapons they could have just made their own. This is really grim news. It is making me feel a bit sick just reading about it. Just got a terrible feeling something really bad will happen now. I had a wee look on the bbc website for this story. Nothing. Nada. Must be fake news. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 hours ago, thplinth said: Nuland confirms the existence of the bio labs. First question would be if these are 'biological research facilities' in the hands of the good guys why do they immediately turn scary as fuck in the hands of the Russians unless they're doing some sort of A-Team conversion? Secondly, Russia are hardly short of chemical or biological weaponry so why would they need the facilities in Ukraine to unleash anything on the Ukrainian people? www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/10/us-denies-russian-claims-of-biowarfare-labs-in-ukraine US have denied their existence; Russia claim they have documented proof Ukraine being told to destroy stuff like the plague in these facilities and; China seem, or pertain to believe, the russian sources so would appear to be getting their arse off the fence tilting Russian. This bit stood out though near the foot of the article where the juicy stuff usually can be found: A former US official, who is familiar with the cooperation between Kyiv and Washington, told the Reuters news agency on Wednesday that the US had helped to convert several Ukrainian laboratories that had been involved in the former Soviet Union’s biological weapons programme into public health facilities. Which would lead back to the question what is the difference between 'biological research facility' and 'biologic weapon production' and why would Russia need them/ convert them back anyway when they already have c.40,000 tonnes of the stuff? Other than being scared the facilities would be used against them and/ or to point a finger 'west bad' I can't see strategically why they need them. It's 50 Shades of Brown for me and Russia may very well be 'Final days on earth arse cancer bloodied faeces brown' but the west in this can easily be argued to be in the 'coffees' section of the Dulux colour chart with the discussion centring around how much milk you ascribe their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I've got visions of one of Theresa May's 'Go Home' vans hastily converted into a 'Ukrainian Visa Centre' doing laps of the Autoroute at 70mph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I had a wee look on the bbc website for this story. Nothing. Nada. Must be fake news. 😉 Glen Greenwald ffs. Long been discredited. Fucked Chelsea manning over (google it) and is best pals with the Russian spy Edward Snowden (always cheers me up as I think of his hellish situation now) https://www.google.com/amp/s/spectatorworld.com/topic/why-glenn-greenwald-backs-putin/amp/ Edited March 10, 2022 by SpecialisedOutsourcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Given a lot of you profess to be on the side of the “people” I’m curious as to why the Ukrainian people aren’t worth your support? Forget the geopolitical situation and the whataboutery of what the “west” has done previously this is black and white - this is all being done for one evil man’s ego. what if Putin took Norway and had designs on Scotland next? Would you still be justifying his actions? Edited March 10, 2022 by SpecialisedOutsourcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Glen Greenwald ffs. Long been discredited. Fucked Chelsea manning over (google it) and is best pals with the Russian spy Edward Snowden. https://www.google.com/amp/s/spectatorworld.com/topic/why-glenn-greenwald-backs-putin/amp/ It wasn't him that said it though, it was Victoria Nuland. He just wrote about it. He isn't the story. The story is what she said about biological research facilities but the bbc doesn't think it's newsworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Given a lot of you profess to be on the side of the “people” I’m curious as to why the Ukrainian people aren’t worth your support? Forget the geopolitical situation and the whataboutery of what the “west” has done previously this is black and white - this is all being done for one evil man’s ego. what if Putin took Norway and had designs on Scotland next? Would you still be justifying his actions? I haven't seen anybody justifying his actions. You are just making stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThistleWhistle Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Given a lot of you profess to be on the side of the “people” I’m curious as to why the Ukrainian people aren’t worth your support? Forget the geopolitical situation and the whataboutery of what the “west” has done previously this is black and white - this is all being done for one evil man’s ego. what if Putin took Norway and had designs on Scotland next? Would you still be justifying his actions? I would wonder where was your concern for Finland and conclude that the Irn Bru sanctions must be hitting him hard. Edited March 10, 2022 by ThistleWhistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I haven't seen anybody justifying his actions. You are just making stuff up. You don’t read thplinth’s posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, Orraloon said: I had a wee look on the bbc website for this story. Nothing. Nada. Must be fake news. 😉 They have been too busy reporting on the hospital attack... He is what the Russian Foreign minister has just said about it. Moscow responds to Ukraine maternity clinic bombing accusation The facility had not been used by civilians for some time before it was hit, Lavrov said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov denied Ukrainian claims that Russian troops had shelled an operating maternity hospital in Ukraine. The building had been used as a base by the far-right Azov Battalion of the Ukrainian National Guard, the top Russian diplomat claimed on Thursday, during a press conference in Turkey. The hospital in question has been for days under the control of a Ukrainian paramilitary group and Moscow presented evidence of this to the UN Security Council several days ago, Lavrov said. “The Azov Battalion and other radicals kicked out all the expectant mothers, the nurses and other staff members. It was the base of the Azov ultra-radicals,” he said, speaking after meeting his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in Turkey’s Antalya. Lavrov added that reports coming from Ukraine that contradict this were obviously meant to “manipulate global public opinion” about what is happening in the country, and he also chastised Western media for taking part in the propaganda effort. “I have seen reports … that were really emotional. Unfortunately, the other side of the situation, which would allow one to form an objective opinion, was not given any prominence,” Lavrov said. The Russian diplomat was commenting on claims raised by Ukraine that Russian troops had deliberately attacked a medical facility in the city of Mariupol on Wednesday. Ukrainian officials claimed that a Russian airstrike had injured at least 17 people but killed nobody. Footage from the scene showed a heavily damaged building with broken medical equipment scattered inside and Ukrainian troops helping women, some of them carrying infants in their arms, who were implied to be survivors of a bombing. Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a video address on Wednesday that the incident proved that Russia was conducting a genocide of the Ukrainian people and called on other nations to stop Russian atrocities. https://www.rt.com/russia/551620-mariupol-maternity-hospital-bombing/ So honestly who knows. It is all smoke and mirrors at this point. The BBC are one of the worst for it (far worse then RT IMHO). There is currently a massive motivation on the Ukrainian side to stage an atrocity and blame it on Russia in order to bring in outside forces. On the Russian side there is very little motivation to commit an atrocity for exactly the same reason. So if something horrific happens and the BBC is quick to attribute it to Russia I'd be a little cautious. If the neo-nazi battalions become desperate that especially is when they could do something really crazy in a last ditch effort to bring in NATO. Desperate people do desperate things. The neo-nazis are killing and torturing POWs according to Putin. They are very unpleasant and are quite capable of committing an atrocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: You don’t read thplinth’s posts? If you have a problem just PM me. I am sure we can sort it out. No need to register twenty tamb ID to chase me about like a troll c**t. Mustered up the courage to tell us your original TAMB ID yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 The regular Ukrainian armed forces are not neo-nazis. They are a mix of professional soldiers and I think conscripts. The neo-nazis are (perhaps not surprisingly) the serious extremists, capable of doing really horrific things (especially if their backs are up against the wall) and they also have a visceral hatred for Russians. These are the folk that will do something crazy if it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, thplinth said: They have been too busy reporting on the hospital attack... He is what the Russian Foreign minister has just said about it. Moscow responds to Ukraine maternity clinic bombing accusation The facility had not been used by civilians for some time before it was hit, Lavrov said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov denied Ukrainian claims that Russian troops had shelled an operating maternity hospital in Ukraine. The building had been used as a base by the far-right Azov Battalion of the Ukrainian National Guard, the top Russian diplomat claimed on Thursday, during a press conference in Turkey. The hospital in question has been for days under the control of a Ukrainian paramilitary group and Moscow presented evidence of this to the UN Security Council several days ago, Lavrov said. “The Azov Battalion and other radicals kicked out all the expectant mothers, the nurses and other staff members. It was the base of the Azov ultra-radicals,” he said, speaking after meeting his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in Turkey’s Antalya. Lavrov added that reports coming from Ukraine that contradict this were obviously meant to “manipulate global public opinion” about what is happening in the country, and he also chastised Western media for taking part in the propaganda effort. “I have seen reports … that were really emotional. Unfortunately, the other side of the situation, which would allow one to form an objective opinion, was not given any prominence,” Lavrov said. The Russian diplomat was commenting on claims raised by Ukraine that Russian troops had deliberately attacked a medical facility in the city of Mariupol on Wednesday. Ukrainian officials claimed that a Russian airstrike had injured at least 17 people but killed nobody. Footage from the scene showed a heavily damaged building with broken medical equipment scattered inside and Ukrainian troops helping women, some of them carrying infants in their arms, who were implied to be survivors of a bombing. Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a video address on Wednesday that the incident proved that Russia was conducting a genocide of the Ukrainian people and called on other nations to stop Russian atrocities. https://www.rt.com/russia/551620-mariupol-maternity-hospital-bombing/ So honestly who knows. It is all smoke and mirrors at this point. The BBC are one of the worst for it (far worse then RT IMHO). There is currently a massive motivation on the Ukrainian side to stage an atrocity and blame it on Russia in order to bring in outside forces. On the Russian side there is very little motivation to commit an atrocity for exactly the same reason. So if something horrific happens and the BBC is quick to attribute it to Russia I'd be a little cautious. If the neo-nazi battalions become desperate that especially is when they could do something really crazy in a last ditch effort to bring in NATO. Desperate people do desperate things. The neo-nazis are killing and torturing POWs according to Putin. They are very unpleasant and are quite capable of committing an atrocity. Source: RT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, thplinth said: They have been too busy reporting on the hospital attack... He is what the Russian Foreign minister has just said about it. Moscow responds to Ukraine maternity clinic bombing accusation The facility had not been used by civilians for some time before it was hit, Lavrov said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov denied Ukrainian claims that Russian troops had shelled an operating maternity hospital in Ukraine. The building had been used as a base by the far-right Azov Battalion of the Ukrainian National Guard, the top Russian diplomat claimed on Thursday, during a press conference in Turkey. The hospital in question has been for days under the control of a Ukrainian paramilitary group and Moscow presented evidence of this to the UN Security Council several days ago, Lavrov said. “The Azov Battalion and other radicals kicked out all the expectant mothers, the nurses and other staff members. It was the base of the Azov ultra-radicals,” he said, speaking after meeting his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in Turkey’s Antalya. Lavrov added that reports coming from Ukraine that contradict this were obviously meant to “manipulate global public opinion” about what is happening in the country, and he also chastised Western media for taking part in the propaganda effort. “I have seen reports … that were really emotional. Unfortunately, the other side of the situation, which would allow one to form an objective opinion, was not given any prominence,” Lavrov said. The Russian diplomat was commenting on claims raised by Ukraine that Russian troops had deliberately attacked a medical facility in the city of Mariupol on Wednesday. Ukrainian officials claimed that a Russian airstrike had injured at least 17 people but killed nobody. Footage from the scene showed a heavily damaged building with broken medical equipment scattered inside and Ukrainian troops helping women, some of them carrying infants in their arms, who were implied to be survivors of a bombing. Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a video address on Wednesday that the incident proved that Russia was conducting a genocide of the Ukrainian people and called on other nations to stop Russian atrocities. https://www.rt.com/russia/551620-mariupol-maternity-hospital-bombing/ So honestly who knows. It is all smoke and mirrors at this point. The BBC are one of the worst for it (far worse then RT IMHO). There is currently a massive motivation on the Ukrainian side to stage an atrocity and blame it on Russia in order to bring in outside forces. On the Russian side there is very little motivation to commit an atrocity for exactly the same reason. So if something horrific happens and the BBC is quick to attribute it to Russia I'd be a little cautious. If the neo-nazi battalions become desperate that especially is when they could do something really crazy in a last ditch effort to bring in NATO. Desperate people do desperate things. The neo-nazis are killing and torturing POWs according to Putin. They are very unpleasant and are quite capable of committing an atrocity. I am sitting in Ottawa watching the news. This hospital was in use for maternity needs. I have just watched the disturbing video of pregnant woman being evacuated amid the bombing of this hospital. Cars on fire, rubble, and damage to the hospital. The Russians are in denial. Dirty lying, cowardly murdering bastards the lot of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big Ramy 1314 said: I am sitting in Ottawa watching the news. This hospital was in use for maternity needs. I have just watched the disturbing video of pregnant woman being evacuated amid the bombing of this hospital. Cars on fire, rubble, and damage to the hospital. The Russians are in denial. Dirty lying, cowardly murdering bastards the lot of them... 17 wounded, 3 killed, including a child.... 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Doea anyone still not believe me that thplinth is a Russian agent? otherwise why would he be spouting Kremlin propaganda and taking points every single day? Even the most ardent believer would occasionally stray from the playbook but not thplinth. He’s “on topic” every single day. it’s also getting more desperate as each day goes on - perhaps in direct correlation to how bad the invasion is going? Maybe just the day rates are increasing? There's a possibility, and bear with me here, that the majority of the posters on here don't give a fuck if thplinth is a "Russian agent" or not. I don't really think his posts on this thread are going to persuade many TAMBers to take up arms and storm Kyiv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Fairbairn said: There's a possibility, and bear with me here, that the majority of the posters on here don't give a fuck if thplinth is a "Russian agent" or not. I don't really think his posts on this thread are going to persuade many TAMBers to take up arms and storm Kyiv. Totally agree mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Fairbairn said: There's a possibility, and bear with me here, that the majority of the posters on here don't give a fuck if thplinth is a "Russian agent" or not. Fair enough - depressing and a terrible reflection on Scotland supporters, but fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: Fair enough - depressing and a terrible reflection on Scotland supporters, but fair enough. It's really, really not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialisedOutsourcing Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, thplinth said: If you have a problem just PM me. I am sure we can sort it out. No need to register twenty tamb ID to chase me about like a troll c**t. Mustered up the courage to tell us your original TAMB ID yet? This is my original ID. Do you have the courage to condemn the Russian invasion yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: This is my original ID. Do you have the courage to condemn the Russian invasion yet? You’ve only posted on two threads, this one, and the BLM thread. Why in your years of being a member haven’t you shown any interest in anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, SpecialisedOutsourcing said: This is my original ID. It's really, really not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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