Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: It's getting worse by the minute. Belgium are here to win the whole thing, if they don't rest 11 players I will be surprised. I think the better chance comes from Denmark getting something against Russia and Russia finishing third on three or four points with a -2 goal difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Here are the tie breaker rules for 3rd place teams Rules for classification: 1) Points; 2) Goal difference; 3) Goals scored; 4) Wins; 5) Lower disciplinary points total; 6) European Qualifiers overall ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: It then comes down to disciplinary record. If that's the case, we are 1 down on yellow cards. Mount should have been booked against us! 1 minute ago, romanticscot said: That scenario I believe it goes to who has scored the most, then who has conceded less and then some funky penalty shoot out that I have no idea how the logistics of that would happen but truthfully it's better than pulling a team fae a hat. Well at least we'd both be in the UK at the time. That would be hella exciting. I doubt that's ever happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushet84 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tartan blood said: Anyone know what happens if England lose 2-0 and we win 1-0? Same points, same goals scored, conceded and against the same teams? Unlikely, I know, but there is still a small chance we could finish ahead of England in 2nd place. It goes to red and then yellow cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, romanticscot said: Here are the tie breaker rules for 3rd place teams Rules for classification: 1) Points; 2) Goal difference; 3) Goals scored; 4) Wins; 5) Lower disciplinary points total; 6) European Qualifiers overall ranking. 5 and 6 are ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Tartan blood said: If that's the case, we are 1 down on yellow cards. Mount should have been booked against us! Well at least we'd both be in the UK at the time. That would be hella exciting. I doubt that's ever happened before. I just double checked, penalties would only be necessary for individual group placement. The 3rd place league it doesn't happen, see my post above foe tie breaker rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Right, let's beat croatia 2-0. We can do it. Wales beat Italy 2002, RoI once beat Italy, NI beat Ukraine, Spain in the world Cup 1982 I think. High time we beat a higher ranked nation in a tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Finland Belgium game to be played in St Petersburg. It's closer from Helsinki to St Petersburg than Glasgow-London. Not quite a home game, but Finland will have a fighting chance of getting a point there. They only need to do what we did to England. Contain them. They don't have to score. Edited June 20, 2021 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, romanticscot said: I just double checked, penalties would only be necessary for individual group placement. The 3rd place league it doesn't happen, see my post above foe tie breaker rules. So if it's a tie between us and England for 2nd place, under the scenario I set out, it would be penalties? Not cards and rankings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Tartan blood said: So if it's a tie between us and England for 2nd place, under the scenario I set out, it would be penalties? Not cards and rankings? No it would not be penalties. This from Wikipedia page:- Tiebreakers If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:[1] Higher number of points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question; Superior goal difference resulting from the matches played between the teams in question; Higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question; If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams who are still level to determine their final rankings.[a] If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 10 apply; Superior goal difference in all group matches; Higher number of goals scored in all group matches; Higher number of wins in all group matches;[b] If on the last round of the group stage, two teams are facing each other and each has the same number of points, as well as the same number of goals scored and conceded, and the score finishes level in their match, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams have the same number of points.); Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card); Higher position in the European Qualifiers overall ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Interesting that the penalty shoot out only comes into it if both teams are playing each other in the 3rd match day, then discipline comes into it and then highest ranking. Higher number of points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question; Superior goal difference resulting from the matches played between the teams in question; Higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question; If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams who are still level to determine their final rankings.[a] If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 10 apply; Superior goal difference in all group matches; Higher number of goals scored in all group matches; Higher number of wins in all group matches;[b] If on the last round of the group stage, two teams are facing each other and each has the same number of points, as well as the same number of goals scored and conceded, and the score finishes level in their match, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams have the same number of points.); Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card); Higher position in the European Qualifiers overall ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 So they'd only use a penalty shoot-out if we were playing each other in the last game which is not the case so then number 9 comes into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On a more positive note it is now impossible for us not to qualify if we win by 2 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryWood34 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) This is went mad tonight in here. We don’t need to beat Croatia 2-0 yet. Im almost certain 4 points will be enough despite GD. Total panic mode from folk. Wait til 10pm tomorrow before totally shitting yourselves. Edited June 20, 2021 by GaryWood34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: No it would not be penalties. This from Wikipedia page:- Tiebreakers If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:[1] Higher number of points obtained in the matches played between the teams in question; Superior goal difference resulting from the matches played between the teams in question; Higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question; If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams who are still level to determine their final rankings.[a] If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 10 apply; Superior goal difference in all group matches; Higher number of goals scored in all group matches; Higher number of wins in all group matches;[b] If on the last round of the group stage, two teams are facing each other and each has the same number of points, as well as the same number of goals scored and conceded, and the score finishes level in their match, their ranking is determined by a penalty shoot-out. (This criterion is not used if more than two teams have the same number of points.); Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card); Higher position in the European Qualifiers overall ranking. Ah okay. So it would only be penalties if we were playing each other in the last match. What a shame, that would have been orgasmic (in that 1 in a million chance of the scores ending up that way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 One thing is sure. That point against England was gold dust to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Caledonian Craig said: One thing is sure. That point against England was gold dust to us. More like a big sack of gold nuggets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, GaryWood34 said: This is went mad tonight in here. We don’t need to beat Croatia 2-0 yet. Im almost certain 4 points will be enough despite GD. Total panic mode from folk. Wait til 10pm tomorrow before totally shitting yourselves. We may not need a 2-0 but I still suspect we will be waiting and wondering into Wednesday at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 And at least we are not the first team eliminated - that award went to North Macedonia and they are now joined by Turkey and probably most definitely Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVIDB46 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: And at least we are not the first team eliminated - that award went to North Macedonia and they are now joined by Turkey and probably most definitely Denmark. I actually think Denmark may go through in second with 3 points in this group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Finland and Russia will probably both win leaving three teams on 6 points. I doubt Finland will beat Belgium even if Belgium rest a good few players. Even if they do there’s no need to press the panic button yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, DAVIDB46 said: I actually think Denmark may go through in second with 3 points in this group It would need Finland to beat Belgium for that to happen which would mean the Finns win the group. The Belgians won't allow that as it would mean a tougher Second Round match and route to later stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: It would need Finland to beat Belgium for that to happen which would mean the Finns win the group. The Belgians won't allow that as it would mean a tougher Second Round match and route to later stages. For Denmark to finish second Belgium would need to beat Finland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Tartan blood said: So if it's a tie between us and England for 2nd place, under the scenario I set out, it would be penalties? Not cards and rankings? How can you have a penalty shoot out 400 miles apart. Is Captain Kirk going to teleport the keepers in between stadiums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Texas Pete said: For Denmark to finish second Belgium would need to beat Finland. Actually no they would still finish behind Finland as Finland beat them in their first match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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