Bristolhibby Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 @DailyMirror 23m23 minutes ago Revealed: Angry #bbcqt audience member who clashed with @rustyrockets is Ukip MEP's BROTHER http://mirr.im/1uvFfrQ Quelle surprise? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I thought when I watched it it looked staged I tweeted immediately that it was Nigel's Dad So close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I tweeted immediately that it was Nigel's Dad So close It was the smug look on Farage's face (well smugger than usual!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 You are falling into the same trap as those ignorant fukers on QT. It's not the immigrants who are driving wages down, it's the folk who are employing them.But then if folk didn't take the jobs at that pay then they would have to up the rate. Most uk welders would not take a welding job at less than 10 quid an hour but others from outside the uk will. Also if it was the case that it was the businessmen driving down wages why are we not seeing it in other skilled areas such as electricians or plumbers. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to put all the blame on imigration but far to many see it as a pure black and white issue. Is Scotland exposed to the level of immigrants when compared to England? Probably not especially if you look at immigration in cambridgeshire ( not including students) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 But then if folk didn't take the jobs at that pay then they would have to up the rate. You are not getting it are you - you would blame the person taking the job rather than the company trying to exploit them. No wonder this country is in the state it is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 You are not getting it are you - you would blame the person taking the job rather than the company trying to exploit them. No wonder this country is in the state it is in. Yes I would if they were not willing to take the job at such a low rate then the company's would be forced to up the rate. Like any part of business bosses will try and get as much as they can for as little as they can. Any saving they can make on there wage bill is good for them. Why do you think uk welders won't take jobs paying below the rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Yes I would if they were not willing to take the job at such a low rate then the company's would be forced to up the rate. Like any part of business bosses will try and get as much as they can for as little as they can. Any saving they can make on there wage bill is good for them. Why do you think uk welders won't take jobs paying below the rate? Dearie dearie me - as I said it is no wonder we are in the state we are in with attitudes like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Yes I would if they were not willing to take the job at such a low rate then the company's would be forced to up the rate. Like any part of business bosses will try and get as much as they can for as little as they can. Any saving they can make on there wage bill is good for them. Why do you think uk welders won't take jobs paying below the rate? Have you ever tried to image yourself in the shoes of these foreigners who are coming over here and taking these jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Have you ever tried to image yourself in the shoes of these foreigners who are coming over here and taking these jobs? Clearly all these people working in sweatshops in India only have themselves to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Dearie dearie me - as I said it is no wonder we are in the state we are in with attitudes like this Have you ever tried to image yourself in the shoes of these foreigners who are coming over here and taking these jobs? So skilled uk workers should just put up and shut up. I've an idea why don't we all work for national minimum wage no matter what the job you do is then everyone will be equal. Who cares how much training it takes to do your job or how much responsibility there is on doing your job right as long as we all get paid the same. Put it this way if an electrician from say India had just arrived in the uk would you trust him to wire your house over a uk electrician even if they were cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 So skilled uk workers should just put up and shut up. I've an idea why don't we all work for national minimum wage no matter what the job you do is then everyone will be equal. Who cares how much training it takes to do your job or how much responsibility there is on doing your job right as long as we all get paid the same. Put it this way if an electrician from say India had just arrived in the uk would you trust him to wire your house over a uk electrician even if they were cheaper I think you're missing their point. It's unfair to blame individual workers here. It should be illegal (and may well be) for companies to hire people from abroad and pay them less. It's exploitation and blaming the person is short sighted. I know here in Australia migrants on visa's need to be paid the same as residents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 So skilled uk workers should just put up and shut up. You are not paying much attention are you - when did I say that exactly? I was questioning who you should be blaming. You are falling into the trap they want you to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swifty's cakes Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Put it this way if an electrician from say India had just arrived in the uk would you trust him to wire your house over a uk electrician even if they were cheaper Would you trust an Indian doctor? Serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 The NHS would fall apart without foreign doctors and workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swifty's cakes Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 The NHS would fall apart without foreign doctors and workers. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 So does that not tell you that there is a underlying problem in our society if we can not train up enough people to fill positions when there are millions unemployed? The NHS would fall apart without foreign doctors and workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Would you trust an Indian doctor? Serious question. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Would you trust an Indian doctor? Serious question. If they were in a hospital or gp surgery then I would So does that not tell you that there is a underlying problem in our society if we can not train up enough people to fill positions when there are millions unemployed? Yup business pay less as they know they can get folk to fill the positions and kids see they pay of jobs dropping and don't want to take those trades due to them not paying. Please don't get me wrong I have no problem with controlled immigration. The nhs is a great example of where it has been good but to say uncontrolled immigration has no negative effects on our society is naive. There seems to be a very polerising effect when it comes to immigration . Too many people see it as black and white and that anyone saying anything against immigration gets branded as being racist. For me immigration is a very grey area. To little can stifle society and to much can cause divides and tensions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So does that not tell you that there is a underlying problem in our society if we can not train up enough people to fill positions when there are millions unemployed? Please don't get me wrong I have no problem with controlled immigration. The nhs is a great example of where it has been good but to say uncontrolled immigration has no negative effects on our society is naive. There seems to be a very polerising effect when it comes to immigration . Too many people see it as black and white and that anyone saying anything against immigration gets branded as being racist. For me immigration is a very grey area. To little can stifle society and to much can cause divides and tensions Genuine question - are there any examples of European countries that have had a successful 'controlled immigration' policy (in terms of no social cohesion or so-called 'overcrowding' problems) while still maintaining their economies? To my mind, it does seem that a policy of importing lots of young immigrants has indeed been the solution to the aging population problem, as well as a way of boosting the UK economy. But what is the alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Couldn't agree more If they were in a hospital or gp surgery then I would Yup business pay less as they know they can get folk to fill the positions and kids see they pay of jobs dropping and don't want to take those trades due to them not paying. Please don't get me wrong I have no problem with controlled immigration. The nhs is a great example of where it has been good but to say uncontrolled immigration has no negative effects on our society is naive. There seems to be a very polerising effect when it comes to immigration . Too many people see it as black and white and that anyone saying anything against immigration gets branded as being racist. For me immigration is a very grey area. To little can stifle society and to much can cause divides and tensions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So skilled uk workers should just put up and shut up. I've an idea why don't we all work for national minimum wage no matter what the job you do is then everyone will be equal. Who cares how much training it takes to do your job or how much responsibility there is on doing your job right as long as we all get paid the same. Put it this way if an electrician from say India had just arrived in the uk would you trust him to wire your house over a uk electrician even if they were cheaper I would judge the expertise of any tradesman based on the standard of their work. Where he/she comes from or the colour of their skin would be totally irrelevant. How much they charge would be relevant but not always the most important factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Immigration esp in the crowded south east clearly is a bigger issue than elsewhere. I like the free movement inside the EU, it is a great thing, but for too many people in Blighty it seems like a one way street. If the schools made more emphasis on modern languages maybe it would be seen as an fantastic opportunity to move to bigger economy like Germany or France. monolingual UK really disadvantages itself on this front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Immigration esp in the crowded south east clearly is a bigger issue than elsewhere. I like the free movement inside the EU, it is a great thing, but for too many people in Blighty it seems like a one way street. If the schools made more emphasis on modern languages maybe it would be seen as an fantastic opportunity to move to bigger economy like Germany or France. monolingual UK really disadvantages itself on this front. How many Brits do think make their living overseas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 How many Brits do think make their living overseas? 1 - me, and that went tits up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 How many Brits do think make their living overseas? My brother, and two of my cousins. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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