ParisInAKilt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Moyes or Mackay it will be then. Doesn’t have to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, ParisInAKilt said: Doesn’t have to be No it doesnt but remember what clowns are doing the hiring here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggycoo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Dont get me wrong I would sooner have Eck over Moyes or Mackay. Personally, I would go for McInnes but compensation issues probably rules him out. Alex Neil is an interestiong option and one I would not be against. After that you begin gettingvinto the realm of old school bosses and from that group I would take McLeish. Alex Neil probably on more money than McInnes ergo bigger compensation payment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Blackheart Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I’ve not really watched Northern Ireland play, but they seem to be doing the business with a terrible squad, so maybe O’Neill could be worth a look. I don’t think I’d have any real objection to jobs for the boys David Moyes. Anyone after Ferguson was going to have a tough time of it at Man United, and Sunderland is a complete basket case of a club. He should have known better than to take that job. However, I don’t see any real need to rush into things, and would certainly consider a foreigner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Folk that genuinely believe Alex Ferguson will take the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: Odd. He has better managerial record than most if not all other Scottish options and in his first stint won seven out of ten of his matches. And the football was grim as f u ck. He is a rotten manager, who done ok with us first time round but ultimately failed to qualify for a major tournament despite getting us into a strong position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mox said: And the football was grim as f u ck. He is a rotten manager, who done ok with us first time round but ultimately failed to qualify for a major tournament despite getting us into a strong position. Who gives a flying f**k how grim the football was. Like in any other sport football is a results business. Look at Martin O'Neill - they are flipping dire to watch but fans would have Ireland's predicament at present to ours. And do us a favour and look what teams were in McLeish's group eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Mox said: McLeish is a dreadful manager that like most scottish managers doesnt have a clue about modern coaching, tactics or indeed how to implement a possesion based style that our players are capable of. His Motherwell side were all about possession, so that's a bit harsh. A long time ago, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Michael O'Neill or Lambert for me. I don't think we've got the luxury of time for a left field candidate to understand the players capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Who gives a flying f**k how grim the football was. Like in any other sport football is a results business. Look at Martin O'Neill - they are flipping dire to watch but fans would have Ireland's predicament at present to ours. And do us a favour and look what teams were in McLeish's group eh? I care about the style of football. I'm sick to the back teeth of managers implementing draconian coaching methods and formations that do nothing for us in the short term and cause nothing but damage in the long term. We absolutely need to employ a manager with a clear possesion based philosophy that harnesses the talents we have and focuses on the technical aspects of the game rather than free kick routines or how to deliver the perfect corner, it is imperative. We are already years behind lots of other nations and people have complained about how far we are behind for years but then tout guys like McLeish, Smith, Moyes etc for the job, its madness. Football is about skill, intelligence, creativity, awareness, we've yet to learn that and its 2017, this is a chance to embrace that and if we dont we are f u cked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said: Michael O'Neill or Lambert for me. I don't think we've got the luxury of time for a left field candidate to understand the players capabilities. If a fan can understand the players capabilities then a manager should. Lambert is a dour miserable failure of a manager. The thought of him, Moyes, McLeish or Mackay is worse than having Levein back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint4805 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Is anyone concerned about Moyes lack of intellect? Time after time I listened to him say "The players done good". He seemed to struggle with basic grammar and vocabulary in his post match interviews. I'm also not convinced that he's tactically astute and capable of keeping a dressing room. Edited October 13, 2017 by Saint4805 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Just now, kumnio said: is worse than having Levein back. I was all ears until this bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I was all ears until this bit. I hated Levein so badly, but my god I’d rather have him than those people. Can we get away from a Scottish manager who sounds suicidal. We need a foreigner who understands modern football, not a nippy wee bastrd who talks in shite sound bites. Edited October 13, 2017 by kumnio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, kumnio said: I hated Levein so badly, but my god I’d rather have him than those people. Can we get away from a Scottish manager who sounds suicidal. We need a foreigner who understands modern football, not a nippy wee bastrd who talks in shite sound bites. All due respects I don't give a crap how he talks or sounds as long as he gets the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, er yir macaroon said: His Motherwell side were all about possession, so that's a bit harsh. A long time ago, though. For people want a manager who values possession Paul Lambert should be right at the bottom. At the end of his tenure at Villa we were averaging 30%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 It is really odd. Turn the clock back say 5 years and fans would happily have taken Moyes, Lambert or Collins but now they are seriously damaged stock after a number of failed managerial posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint4805 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 +1 Will probably get pelted but I'd take Big Sam or Lennon over those three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 That’s not odd at all, it’s pretty basic common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, kumnio said: That’s not odd at all, it’s pretty basic common sense. I mean it is odd how their stock has fallen in unison over the same period in time given that they were all potential Scotland managers of the future around then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 13 hours ago, McExpat said: From that lot I think I'd go with wanting the SFA to give Moyes a go at the job. A part of me wouldn't mind seeing McLeish get it but the other part of me wouldn't be happy with rewarding him again after he walked out on us last time. McInnes is tempting but I feel it's not the right time for him. MacKay - Please No! McLeish won't walk out again - he's probably got England out of his system now. But Moyes might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Saint4805 said: +1 Will probably get pelted but I'd take Big Sam or Lennon over those three. I suggest you look at Allardyce's managerial stats - you may swiftly change your mind and do you really want someone covered in shit in the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 If we hire Moyes (please don’t) and he left for a job in England, then it’s because he has been a success, I don’t see the fear of someone leaving as a reason not to hire them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Jock Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, Saint4805 said: Is anyone concerned about Moyes lack of intellect? Time after time I listened to him say "The players done good". He seemed to struggle with basic grammar and vocabulary in his post match interviews. I'm also not convinced that he's tactically astute and capable of keeping a dressing room. You only have to look at the job he did at Manchester United. Inherited a title winning team including Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Rooney, Robin van Persie, Xavier Hernandez, Michael Carrick etc and in the space of a few months demoralised them and reduced them to also rans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint4805 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I suggest you look at Allardyce's managerial stats - you may swiftly change your mind and do you really want someone covered in shit in the job? Stats are all well and good but no two managerial tenures are the same. He's used to managing lower end clubs and so his stats are bound to be affected by that. I know that not many other managers would have kept Sunderland and Palace up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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