aaid Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, exile said: Absolutely. And some would say the same of Scotland. There is a difference, Scotland has a lot more natural resources than NI does. Losing NI would probably be a net benefit to the exchequer, losing Scotland wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, aaid said: TBF, it'll only be really big news once the ECJ opines. ^ True. However : Scots law came up trumps here whatever ECJ decides. Court of Session in Edinburgh ruled UK government couldn't appeal to its own Supreme court. No wonder BBC has new black out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, aaid said: There is a difference, Scotland has a lot more natural resources than NI does. Losing NI would probably be a net benefit to the exchequer, losing Scotland wouldn't. Yes. At least, the 'powers that be' know the strategic value of Scotland, and would be prepared to pay for it, but many who believe they are simply subsiding Scotland would be among those willing to let go. I do remember though, in 2014, several people from south of the border suddenly expressing an emotional personal bond as if it was their lochs and mountains they were going to lose, as if they genuinely felt the whole island belonged to them. Who from Great Britain genuinely would go to Belfast or Lower Lough Erne and claim it was as British as Finchley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4oyarder Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Is anybody else worried about the propsect of a United Ireland, caused by the Brexit shenanigans, ultimately leading to us being landed with thousands of fuck-wit immigrants from Proddy Ulster, who don't want to be governed by Dublin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, ONeils4oyarder said: Is anybody else worried about the propsect of a United Ireland, caused by the Brexit shenanigans, ultimately leading to us being landed with thousands of fuck-wit immigrants from Proddy Ulster, who don't want to be governed by Dublin? Not especially but you are aware that the majority of those "fuck-wit immigrants" are of Scottish descent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4oyarder Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I am aware of it...but they'll be fuckwit immigrants, none-the-less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 12:12 AM, Toepoke said: I believe these people may have voted for Brexit... https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-05/disgusting-video-shows-laughing-group-burn-grenfell-tower-model-at-bonfire-party/ Not just Brexit by the looks of things. https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/17210377.south-norwood-grenfell-effigy-burners-members-of-local-conservative-club/?fbclid=IwAR2pvswP9e4UxeaQy79biwupkStvJGQQfg5AIwgFMMIxNANxmkLJmDXbou0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 And another one bites the dust. Bo Bro Jo gone. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/jo-johnson-brother-of-boris-resigns-over-brexit/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 #raabjustrealised The English Channel isn't a TV station #Raabjustrealised that the Irish border is more than just a breed of dog. #Raabjustrealised THIS trading partner is NEAR! 0 replies11 retweets45 likes Reply Retweet 11 Like 45 Direct message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 8 hours ago, exile said: #raabjustrealised The English Channel isn't a TV station #Raabjustrealised that the Irish border is more than just a breed of dog. #Raabjustrealised THIS trading partner is NEAR! 0 replies11 retweets45 likes Reply Retweet 11 Like 45 Direct message 😂 😂 Is that the ghost of Father Ted Heath ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Everyone is sleeping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Everyone is sleeping Project fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Ross Thomson needs to decide where his blood red lines lie On 9th November he tweeted: Any guarantee of full continued access to our fishing waters for the EU beyond December 2020 is totally unacceptable. We must have compete sovereignty over our EEZ and any access by EU vessels is done so on our terms. This is a blood red line for the @ScotTories MPs. But yet he is also claiming (most recently today): There can be no border down the Irish Sea splitting off Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. Our union must be indivisible before, during and after #Brexit. (He seems to fear this not only for the sake of NI but Scotland splitting from UK.) But what if he can't have both? Is he (or Theresa May on his behalf) going to sacrifice the fisheries, or the precious union by casting NI overboard? (My guess is May would rather sacrifice the fisheries, so what happens to his blood red line?) Ross Thomson MP added, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 8:01 AM, ONeils4oyarder said: Is anybody else worried about the propsect of a United Ireland, caused by the Brexit shenanigans, ultimately leading to us being landed with thousands of fuck-wit immigrants from Proddy Ulster, who don't want to be governed by Dublin? Me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 29 minutes ago, exile said: Ross Thomson needs to decide where his blood red lines lie On 9th November he tweeted: Any guarantee of full continued access to our fishing waters for the EU beyond December 2020 is totally unacceptable. We must have compete sovereignty over our EEZ and any access by EU vessels is done so on our terms. This is a blood red line for the @ScotTories MPs. But yet he is also claiming (most recently today): There can be no border down the Irish Sea splitting off Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. Our union must be indivisible before, during and after #Brexit. (He seems to fear this not only for the sake of NI but Scotland splitting from UK.) But what if he can't have both? Is he (or Theresa May on his behalf) going to sacrifice the fisheries, or the precious union by casting NI overboard? (My guess is May would rather sacrifice the fisheries, so what happens to his blood red line?) Ross Thomson MP added, Ross Thompson is playing to the [fishermen’s] gallery. His seat is up in fishing communities is it not? He’ll fall into line after the next tory leader is chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 41 minutes ago, antidote said: Ross Thompson is playing to the [fishermen’s] gallery. His seat is up in fishing communities is it not? He’ll fall into line after the next tory leader is chosen. Yes Ross Thomson is the Scottish Conservative and Unionist MP for Aberdeen South. but he is simultaneously saying "We can never accept a border down the Irish Sea". But isn't any deal with the EU is likely to lead to either EU conditions for NI (= border) or whole UK (= fisheries sacrifice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Ross Thomson is a fucking retard, even for a Tory he is beyond parody. How the hell could he get selected to stand, let alone win an election, the guy is genuinely thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, exile said: Yes Ross Thomson is the Scottish Conservative and Unionist MP for Aberdeen South. but he is simultaneously saying "We can never accept a border down the Irish Sea". But isn't any deal with the EU is likely to lead to either EU conditions for NI (= border) or whole UK (= fisheries sacrifice). Its been such a strange posture from the tories as they have pinned everything in scotland behind taking control of “our waters” they have kinda backed themselves into a corner as anything less than full control will be seen as a sell out,, the tide is turning and the fall out for the torys selling out the fishing will go further than the fishing communities, its kind of became symbolic in some brexiters minds who know nothing about the fishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Project fear From the country that brought you police spies, agent provocateurs, special branch/ MI5 agents and the removal of ID numbers from police uniforms so violent officers couldnt be identified during the miners strike ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Its been such a strange posture from the tories as they have pinned everything in scotland behind taking control of “our waters” they have kinda backed themselves into a corner as anything less than full control will be seen as a sell out,, the tide is turning and the fall out for the torys selling out the fishing will go further than the fishing communities, its kind of became symbolic in some brexiters minds who know nothing about the fishing I’ve never heard the tories in Scotland saying Scotland taking back control of of waters. it’s always been just ‘taking back control of our waters.’ in reality they’re saying Westminster taking control of Scotland’s fishing waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 hours ago, exile said: Yes Ross Thomson is the Scottish Conservative and Unionist MP for Aberdeen South. but he is simultaneously saying "We can never accept a border down the Irish Sea". But isn't any deal with the EU is likely to lead to either EU conditions for NI (= border) or whole UK (= fisheries sacrifice). As I said he’ll fall into line under a new tory leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 9 hours ago, exile said: Yes Ross Thomson is the Scottish Conservative and Unionist MP for Aberdeen South. but he is simultaneously saying "We can never accept a border down the Irish Sea". But isn't any deal with the EU is likely to lead to either EU conditions for NI (= border) or whole UK (= fisheries sacrifice). Does a "NO deal brexit" not give him both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: From the country that brought you police spies, agent provocateurs, special branch/ MI5 agents and the removal of ID numbers from police uniforms so violent officers couldnt be identified during the miners strike ..... I don’t see the connection with all that (which is true) and trying to scare people about leaving the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Does a "NO deal brexit" not give him both? Yes I suppose so but he is not openly advocating/admitting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: I don’t see the connection with all that (which is true) and trying to scare people about leaving the EU. clearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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