Ticket Collections

[TartanTon]

2 minutes ago, Debian said:

A pal of mine has been given a warning by the SSC.

 He went to pick up at Wembley, and his ticket was given away. He wasn't shouty or swore, and he stood at the front of the queue for a full five minutes asking for an answer as to why, and what was to be done. He was blanked, and eventually told to leave or security would escort him away.

 He eventually went away, but came back just as the game was starting, and politely asked if there were any tickets available. He was advised no, and that they couldn't give him a ticket that wasn't picked up - another mate had pulled out at the last minute, who's ticket was there and was willing to speak to the SSC and authorise it.

Now, he eventually did get in to the game after buying an English ticket and manage to meet us.

He has however been given a final warning from the SSC and been advised if he requests tickets in this manner again, or emails them asking for an investigation he will be banned.

 

I find this behaviour disgusting by the SSC and it is nigh on time some of those involved in the SSC are taken to task. Is there anything that @ATACcan do?

 

What!! He will face a ban if he even considers appealing. If thats accurate i'm gobsmacked. That would be like bunker mentality!

[Mazziessc]

8 minutes ago, Debian said:

A pal of mine has been given a warning by the SSC.

 He went to pick up at Wembley, and his ticket was given away. He wasn't shouty or swore, and he stood at the front of the queue for a full five minutes asking for an answer as to why, and what was to be done. He was blanked, and eventually told to leave or security would escort him away.

 He eventually went away, but came back just as the game was starting, and politely asked if there were any tickets available. He was advised no, and that they couldn't give him a ticket that wasn't picked up - another mate had pulled out at the last minute, who's ticket was there and was willing to speak to the SSC and authorise it.

Now, he eventually did get in to the game after buying an English ticket and manage to meet us.

He has however been given a final warning from the SSC and been advised if he requests tickets in this manner again, or emails them asking for an investigation he will be banned.

 

I find this behaviour disgusting by the SSC and it is nigh on time some of those involved in the SSC are taken to task. Is there anything that @ATACcan do?

 

He better hope he's an ATAC member!

[flicktokick]

3 minutes ago, Debian said:

A pal of mine has been given a warning by the SSC.

 He went to pick up at Wembley, and his ticket was given away. He wasn't shouty or swore, and he stood at the front of the queue for a full five minutes asking for an answer as to why, and what was to be done. He was blanked, and eventually told to leave or security would escort him away.

 He eventually went away, but came back just as the game was starting, and politely asked if there were any tickets available. He was advised no, and that they couldn't give him a ticket that wasn't picked up - another mate had pulled out at the last minute, who's ticket was there and was willing to speak to the SSC and authorise it.

Now, he eventually did get in to the game after buying an English ticket and manage to meet us.

He has however been given a final warning from the SSC and been advised if he requests tickets in this manner again, or emails them asking for an investigation he will be banned.

 

I find this behaviour disgusting by the SSC and it is nigh on time some of those involved in the SSC are taken to task. Is there anything that @ATACcan do?

 

This really should be where ATAC could help. Communication channels should work on a two-way basis, and yes passing on news about abusive beaviour to fans is essential, it is equally important that the SFA/SSC understand that they have a duty to make good any mistakes - providing a fan whose ticket was given away by accidental with a replacement that otherwise would not be used seems so simple and common sense that an explanation as to why that wasn't done should be made.
Whilst never condoning abusive behaviour, anyone running a fan organisation should understand the likely emotional response coming from someone who has paid to travel to a match and finds a mistake has been made that will stop them going to the game. Not then seeking to rectify that mistake will only enflame a situation. That is poor practice and poor customer service and the people involved should both answer and say what they would have done in the fan's place.

[daviebee]

On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 9:01 AM, clarky1606 said:

All we ask in return is that we are treated fairly. Consider the views of the fans and not just the SSC staff members. Look at the lad who was told his ticket was given away to another member and he was then told to leave the area as they couldnt help him.. if they did their job correctly the lad wouldnt of had an outburst and the girls would of had 1 less unhappy camper. I am not condoning his behaviour and he has admitted himself he was wrong to swear at them but he offered a full apology as soon as he had calmed down yet it fell on deaf ears and his membership was still cancelled.

They complain every away game about the way they are treated but have the SFA ever sent a rep to overview the situation or even an ATAC rep? If they have then maybe a route to continue with, if they haven't then maybe something they should consider?

I agree the girls dont have the easiest of times dealing with a large number of fans and in reality we are all thankful for the job they do but it has to be a two way street if things are to improve. 

Just when you think "Strachan Remains..." is the daftest thing you'd read this week.

The poor guy spends good money travelling to support the team, has to deal with the gut-wrenching disappointment of not being allowed in, gets treated with total indifference and then gets booted out the SSC for flipping his lid?  Fck me I've heard it all now.  SFA just GTF the lot of you.

[glasgow jock]

2 hours ago, aaid said:

Are you going to address why I am - was is probably more accurate - a self serving shitebag?

I have already, now be a good lad and move on 

[aaid]

3 minutes ago, glasgow jock said:

I have already, now be a good lad and move on 

It's probably just me being stupid but where have you done that?

What exactly do you think is "in it" for people who are involved in ATAC for them to be self-serving?

Edited November 18, 2016 by aaid

[TartanTon]

33 minutes ago, daviebee said:

Just when you think "Strachan Remains..." is the daftest thing you'd read this week.

The poor guy spends good money travelling to support the team, has to deal with the gut-wrenching disappointment of not being allowed in, gets treated with total indifference and then gets booted out the SSC for flipping his lid?  Fck me I've heard it all now.  SFA just GTF the lot of you.

Ban coming.

Seriously though its getting concerning the apparent way issues are handled. Just ban the fan, headache gone. Clearly its the SSC's fault if they gave a ticket away to another fan (and thats puzzling as any pick ups i've done they would not give you the ticket without your SSC card being shown). Surely they owe an explanation as to how that occurred.

 

[glasgow jock]

33 minutes ago, aaid said:

It's probably just me being stupid but where have you done that?

What exactly do you think is "in it" for people who are involved in ATAC for them to be self-serving?

Your not being stupid aaid - I have came across poorly, just really (and I mean really) pi$$ed with our team & our unambitious governing body, and probably more so with a section of our support who are (IMO) nothing but happy clappers & not too bothered about the fitba !

Apologies if I offended you - never intended to.

[aaid]

9 minutes ago, glasgow jock said:

Your not being stupid aaid - I have came across poorly, just really (and I mean really) pi$$ed with our team & our unambitious governing body, and probably more so with a section of our support who are (IMO) nothing but happy clappers & not too bothered about the fitba !

Apologies if I offended you - never intended to.

Fair enough

[glasgow jock]

1 minute ago, aaid said:

Fair enough

Self serving shitebag 

[aaid]

2 minutes ago, glasgow jock said:

Self serving shitebag 

I'll  give you that one 

[the_fadiator]

If taking these stories at face value as totally accurate, it's a shocking way to treat fans! I'd be pursuing them for a ticket refund, trip costs reimbursement, SSC membership reimbursement, compensation for inconvenience, and expenses.

The SSC membership really isn't worth it, so sure a lot of people will not renew and instead attend Hampden and away games when they choose. The 30,000-odd membership cash cow will become a fading memory.

[aaid]

2 hours ago, Debian said:

A pal of mine has been given a warning by the SSC.

 He went to pick up at Wembley, and his ticket was given away. He wasn't shouty or swore, and he stood at the front of the queue for a full five minutes asking for an answer as to why, and what was to be done. He was blanked, and eventually told to leave or security would escort him away.

 He eventually went away, but came back just as the game was starting, and politely asked if there were any tickets available. He was advised no, and that they couldn't give him a ticket that wasn't picked up - another mate had pulled out at the last minute, who's ticket was there and was willing to speak to the SSC and authorise it.

Now, he eventually did get in to the game after buying an English ticket and manage to meet us.

He has however been given a final warning from the SSC and been advised if he requests tickets in this manner again, or emails them asking for an investigation he will be banned.

 

I find this behaviour disgusting by the SSC and it is nigh on time some of those involved in the SSC are taken to task. Is there anything that @ATACcan do?

 

Of course, you've never been known to make things up just to stir it up have you?

Here's a question, if your mate is an SSC member then how come he didn't have a ticket in the first place given that it went down to zero points.  A bit coincidental that your other mate couldn't make it at the last minute and had to pick up meaning that there just happened to be a spare ticket to support your story.

Personally, I smell shite here. 

[Guest BlueGaz]

1 hour ago, aaid said:

Of course, you've never been known to make things up just to stir it up have you?

Here's a question, if your mate is an SSC member then how come he didn't have a ticket in the first place given that it went down to zero points.  A bit coincidental that your other mate couldn't make it at the last minute and had to pick up meaning that there just happened to be a spare ticket to support your story.

Personally, I smell shite here. 

They both had tickets, did they not?

[aaid]

2 minutes ago, BlueGaz said:

They both had tickets, did they not?

Mate A didn't have a ticket and was at the pickup looking for one, Mate B had to pickup his ticket but wasn't there to do so.  Or at least that's how I read it.

All in all, it sounds a bit too convenient for my liking.

[Guest BlueGaz]

Just now, aaid said:

Mate A didn't have a ticket and was at the pickup looking for one, Mate B had to pickup his ticket but wasn't there to do so.  Or at least that's how I read it.

All in all, it sounds a bit too convenient for my liking.

Do you think Mate A knows Mate B?  If not, how did he call him.  Hmmmmm.  

[TDYER63]

1 hour ago, aaid said:

Mate A didn't have a ticket and was at the pickup looking for one, Mate B had to pickup his ticket but wasn't there to do so.  Or at least that's how I read it.

All in all, it sounds a bit too convenient for my liking.

I though mate A had a ticket but it had been given away in error by the SSC., I thought that was what the furore was about . But who knows. Either way he should bave quit while he was ahead and went to the pub. 

[Debian]

7 hours ago, aaid said:

Of course, you've never been known to make things up just to stir it up have you?

Here's a question, if your mate is an SSC member then how come he didn't have a ticket in the first place given that it went down to zero points.  A bit coincidental that your other mate couldn't make it at the last minute and had to pick up meaning that there just happened to be a spare ticket to support your story.

Personally, I smell shite here. 

Youve never heard of a random ticket collection then?

Like many others who had to collect. Eejit. 

 

Edit..

Both are members and had to pick up. 

Mate A's ticket who was there and had his given away

Mate B whos ticket was there wasnt able to attend. 

Yes both know each other hence A calling B and asking if hed speak to SSC rep. 

Edited November 18, 2016 by Debian

[ATAC]

ATAC – the Association of Tartan Army Clubs - generally does not conduct conversations on Forums, particularly those where the posters are anonymous. However, we have been following comments within this thread and others and felt it appropriate to respond.

ATAC is a voluntary umbrella group for a number of Scotland Supporters groups (Tartan Armies) throughout the country and beyond. Each member group elects a representative to ATAC who in turn elect a steering group, this is carried out annually. They do not and have never purported to represent all of the wider Scottish support, but do believe that the composition of its membership is broadly representative of all.

We have been reading comments re ATAC ‘hiding’, ‘cosying up’ ‘not wanting to lose its advantages’ etc. If anyone can tell us the advantages we would be delighted to know.

We are certainly not hiding, for those who are not aware - it’s probably helpful to explain what we are doing. We have to confess we are slightly hesitant in doing so, why? – this is a public forum, anyone can read this, including those from press and media – we can see the headlines already “Tartan Army Chiefs meet to discuss Strachan’s future” “Sack the SFA Board say Tartan Army Chiefs”…The use of ‘Chiefs’  is indicative of what is usually printed, not how we perceive ourselves. Anyone can be a Chief, want a turn? We are all Scotland supporters and like everyone we are hurting at the moment, however, with the next International dates not until March 2017, we have time to consult with the membership seek their views and opinions and determine what, if any, actions should be taken. It’s not for an individual or steering group to determine that, that is driven by consensus.

Some threads started by criticising how some people support the national team, others called for the manager to resign / be sacked. Others referred to the SFA Board and the Chief Executive. Threads developed over ticket issuing at Wembley then moved onto criticising ATAC

Our position is very straightforward. Through our member clubs we will seek to identify and sort out the ‘fact’ or ‘valid’ concerns / issues, we know that they are there. These will be taken to our next regular representatives meeting, which co-incidentally is in a couple of weeks. The representatives will discuss and agree next steps. If we require (and most certainly will) to take something to the SSC / SFA we will.

The SSC / SFA do not require to listen or meet with us, they do so as they appreciate that we have taken time to consider things and provide alternatives or solutions. The ‘relationship’ is one of courtesy, it’s no secret that it was not good for a time – when ATAC met with the SFA Commercial team and registered our disgust at the pricing policy for the last campaign, let’s just say we didn’t miss them with our comments. Notwithstanding that we have continued to meet and discuss with the SSC and SFA Security on matters affecting ‘the matchday experience’ everything from ticketing through security at matches home and away. Do we always get what we ask for – most certainly not – but we do find that a number of our suggestions and proposals are adopted.

Now, do you want to influence what we do? You are very welcome. Don’t take this the wrong way, but seldom will we act upon a posting on a messageboard from someone we do not know, just because a vociferous small number of people say “pitchforks outside Hampden at dawn – ATAC lead the attack” will we go away and arrange this – Any reasonably headed person should understand this position. What can you do? Well, ONE poster from here has taken the time to write, they have had the courtesy of a reply, please feel free to contact us. Or if you are so minded, attend any of the meetings of ATAC member clubs, where all sorts of things are discussed including your item, whatever it is.

Of course,if you want to raise it with Hampden directly, then you are perfectly entitled to do so, we can supply the appropriate extension number if you wish.

Please do not start posting questions here – there is a link to contact us on our website– as stated at the outset we generally do not conduct conversations on anonymous forums. And, we fully expect that every line or word will be dissected by some and thrown back at us, we are used to that. We would hope however that you appreciate the sentiment and intent. We are all at the end of the day just Scotland fans trying to support our team.

Edited November 18, 2016 by ATAC

[scoobydoo]

On 17/11/2016 at 3:00 AM, aaid said:

Do you think that calling someone who is just doing their job a <expletive deleted> arsehole is acceptable?

If I'd turned up at Wembley and found that the SSC, in the course not doing the only thing they have to get right, had given my ticket away and couldn't get me another to get in, then calling them a arsehole would just have been the start of my response.  

[Chief]

1 hour ago, ATAC said:

ATAC – the Association of Tartan Army Clubs - generally does not conduct conversations on Forums, particularly those where the posters are anonymous. However, we have been following comments within this thread and others and felt it appropriate to respond.

ATAC is a voluntary umbrella group for a number of Scotland Supporters groups (Tartan Armies) throughout the country and beyond. Each member group elects a representative to ATAC who in turn elect a steering group, this is carried out annually. They do not and have never purported to represent all of the wider Scottish support, but do believe that the composition of its membership is broadly representative of all.

We have been reading comments re ATAC ‘hiding’, ‘cosying up’ ‘not wanting to lose its advantages’ etc. If anyone can tell us the advantages we would be delighted to know.

We are certainly not hiding, for those who are not aware - it’s probably helpful to explain what we are doing. We have to confess we are slightly hesitant in doing so, why? – this is a public forum, anyone can read this, including those from press and media – we can see the headlines already “Tartan Army Chiefs meet to discuss Strachan’s future” “Sack the SFA Board say Tartan Army Chiefs”…The use of ‘Chiefs’  is indicative of what is usually printed, not how we perceive ourselves. Anyone can be a Chief, want a turn? We are all Scotland supporters and like everyone we are hurting at the moment, however, with the next International dates not until March 2017, we have time to consult with the membership seek their views and opinions and determine what, if any, actions should be taken. It’s not for an individual or steering group to determine that, that is driven by consensus.

Some threads started by criticising how some people support the national team, others called for the manager to resign / be sacked. Others referred to the SFA Board and the Chief Executive. Threads developed over ticket issuing at Wembley then moved onto criticising ATAC

Our position is very straightforward. Through our member clubs we will seek to identify and sort out the ‘fact’ or ‘valid’ concerns / issues, we know that they are there. These will be taken to our next regular representatives meeting, which co-incidentally is in a couple of weeks. The representatives will discuss and agree next steps. If we require (and most certainly will) to take something to the SSC / SFA we will.

The SSC / SFA do not require to listen or meet with us, they do so as they appreciate that we have taken time to consider things and provide alternatives or solutions. The ‘relationship’ is one of courtesy, it’s no secret that it was not good for a time – when ATAC met with the SFA Commercial team and registered our disgust at the pricing policy for the last campaign, let’s just say we didn’t miss them with our comments. Notwithstanding that we have continued to meet and discuss with the SSC and SFA Security on matters affecting ‘the matchday experience’ everything from ticketing through security at matches home and away. Do we always get what we ask for – most certainly not – but we do find that a number of our suggestions and proposals are adopted.

Now, do you want to influence what we do? You are very welcome. Don’t take this the wrong way, but seldom will we act upon a posting on a messageboard from someone we do not know, just because a vociferous small number of people say “pitchforks outside Hampden at dawn – ATAC lead the attack” will we go away and arrange this – Any reasonably headed person should understand this position. What can you do? Well, ONE poster from here has taken the time to write, they have had the courtesy of a reply, please feel free to contact us. Or if you are so minded, attend any of the meetings of ATAC member clubs, where all sorts of things are discussed including your item, whatever it is.

Of course,if you want to raise it with Hampden directly, then you are perfectly entitled to do so, we can supply the appropriate extension number if you wish.

Please do not start posting questions here – there is a link to contact us on our website– as stated at the outset we generally do not conduct conversations on anonymous forums. And, we fully expect that every line or word will be dissected by some and thrown back at us, we are used to that. We would hope however that you appreciate the sentiment and intent. We are all at the end of the day just Scotland fans trying to support our team.

Pfft.

[Debian]

Who is this anonymous ATAC poster....

[TartanTon]

10 hours ago, ATAC said:

ATAC – the Association of Tartan Army Clubs - generally does not conduct conversations on Forums, particularly those where the posters are anonymous. However, we have been following comments within this thread and others and felt it appropriate to respond.

ATAC is a voluntary umbrella group for a number of Scotland Supporters groups (Tartan Armies) throughout the country and beyond. Each member group elects a representative to ATAC who in turn elect a steering group, this is carried out annually. They do not and have never purported to represent all of the wider Scottish support, but do believe that the composition of its membership is broadly representative of all.

We have been reading comments re ATAC ‘hiding’, ‘cosying up’ ‘not wanting to lose its advantages’ etc. If anyone can tell us the advantages we would be delighted to know.

We are certainly not hiding, for those who are not aware - it’s probably helpful to explain what we are doing. We have to confess we are slightly hesitant in doing so, why? – this is a public forum, anyone can read this, including those from press and media – we can see the headlines already “Tartan Army Chiefs meet to discuss Strachan’s future” “Sack the SFA Board say Tartan Army Chiefs”…The use of ‘Chiefs’  is indicative of what is usually printed, not how we perceive ourselves. Anyone can be a Chief, want a turn? We are all Scotland supporters and like everyone we are hurting at the moment, however, with the next International dates not until March 2017, we have time to consult with the membership seek their views and opinions and determine what, if any, actions should be taken. It’s not for an individual or steering group to determine that, that is driven by consensus.

Some threads started by criticising how some people support the national team, others called for the manager to resign / be sacked. Others referred to the SFA Board and the Chief Executive. Threads developed over ticket issuing at Wembley then moved onto criticising ATAC

Our position is very straightforward. Through our member clubs we will seek to identify and sort out the ‘fact’ or ‘valid’ concerns / issues, we know that they are there. These will be taken to our next regular representatives meeting, which co-incidentally is in a couple of weeks. The representatives will discuss and agree next steps. If we require (and most certainly will) to take something to the SSC / SFA we will.

The SSC / SFA do not require to listen or meet with us, they do so as they appreciate that we have taken time to consider things and provide alternatives or solutions. The ‘relationship’ is one of courtesy, it’s no secret that it was not good for a time – when ATAC met with the SFA Commercial team and registered our disgust at the pricing policy for the last campaign, let’s just say we didn’t miss them with our comments. Notwithstanding that we have continued to meet and discuss with the SSC and SFA Security on matters affecting ‘the matchday experience’ everything from ticketing through security at matches home and away. Do we always get what we ask for – most certainly not – but we do find that a number of our suggestions and proposals are adopted.

Now, do you want to influence what we do? You are very welcome. Don’t take this the wrong way, but seldom will we act upon a posting on a messageboard from someone we do not know, just because a vociferous small number of people say “pitchforks outside Hampden at dawn – ATAC lead the attack” will we go away and arrange this – Any reasonably headed person should understand this position. What can you do? Well, ONE poster from here has taken the time to write, they have had the courtesy of a reply, please feel free to contact us. Or if you are so minded, attend any of the meetings of ATAC member clubs, where all sorts of things are discussed including your item, whatever it is.

Of course,if you want to raise it with Hampden directly, then you are perfectly entitled to do so, we can supply the appropriate extension number if you wish.

Please do not start posting questions here – there is a link to contact us on our website– as stated at the outset we generally do not conduct conversations on anonymous forums. And, we fully expect that every line or word will be dissected by some and thrown back at us, we are used to that. We would hope however that you appreciate the sentiment and intent. We are all at the end of the day just Scotland fans trying to support our team.

That's all well and good but I think the main point some made was the statement made by ATAC which seemed to assume the authority on all Scotland fans.

Personally I have no issue at all with ATAC, we are all the same after all, just fans. 

I do note you say contact Hampden directly. I will say from personal experience the responses to direct questions or queries is poor to say the least. So far as to say it's clear the opinion hasn't even been read properly and if you get a response at all it's usually of the go away attitude. (Btw, I'm not talking SSC, I've always found them extremely helpful myself)

We as fans are largely ignored by the SFA. We are simply another commodity to them in my opinion.

edited to add I have no issue at all giving my details as I have already written to the SFA with criticism under my own name. 

Edited November 19, 2016 by TartanTon
Update

[Parklife]

11 hours ago, ATAC said:

ATAC – the Association of Tartan Army Clubs - generally does not conduct conversations on Forums, particularly those where the posters are anonymous. However, we have been following comments within this thread and others and felt it appropriate to respond.

ATAC is a voluntary umbrella group for a number of Scotland Supporters groups (Tartan Armies) throughout the country and beyond. Each member group elects a representative to ATAC who in turn elect a steering group, this is carried out annually. They do not and have never purported to represent all of the wider Scottish support, but do believe that the composition of its membership is broadly representative of all.

We have been reading comments re ATAC ‘hiding’, ‘cosying up’ ‘not wanting to lose its advantages’ etc. If anyone can tell us the advantages we would be delighted to know.

We are certainly not hiding, for those who are not aware - it’s probably helpful to explain what we are doing. We have to confess we are slightly hesitant in doing so, why? – this is a public forum, anyone can read this, including those from press and media – we can see the headlines already “Tartan Army Chiefs meet to discuss Strachan’s future” “Sack the SFA Board say Tartan Army Chiefs”…The use of ‘Chiefs’  is indicative of what is usually printed, not how we perceive ourselves. Anyone can be a Chief, want a turn? We are all Scotland supporters and like everyone we are hurting at the moment, however, with the next International dates not until March 2017, we have time to consult with the membership seek their views and opinions and determine what, if any, actions should be taken. It’s not for an individual or steering group to determine that, that is driven by consensus.

Some threads started by criticising how some people support the national team, others called for the manager to resign / be sacked. Others referred to the SFA Board and the Chief Executive. Threads developed over ticket issuing at Wembley then moved onto criticising ATAC

Our position is very straightforward. Through our member clubs we will seek to identify and sort out the ‘fact’ or ‘valid’ concerns / issues, we know that they are there. These will be taken to our next regular representatives meeting, which co-incidentally is in a couple of weeks. The representatives will discuss and agree next steps. If we require (and most certainly will) to take something to the SSC / SFA we will.

The SSC / SFA do not require to listen or meet with us, they do so as they appreciate that we have taken time to consider things and provide alternatives or solutions. The ‘relationship’ is one of courtesy, it’s no secret that it was not good for a time – when ATAC met with the SFA Commercial team and registered our disgust at the pricing policy for the last campaign, let’s just say we didn’t miss them with our comments. Notwithstanding that we have continued to meet and discuss with the SSC and SFA Security on matters affecting ‘the matchday experience’ everything from ticketing through security at matches home and away. Do we always get what we ask for – most certainly not – but we do find that a number of our suggestions and proposals are adopted.

Now, do you want to influence what we do? You are very welcome. Don’t take this the wrong way, but seldom will we act upon a posting on a messageboard from someone we do not know, just because a vociferous small number of people say “pitchforks outside Hampden at dawn – ATAC lead the attack” will we go away and arrange this – Any reasonably headed person should understand this position. What can you do? Well, ONE poster from here has taken the time to write, they have had the courtesy of a reply, please feel free to contact us. Or if you are so minded, attend any of the meetings of ATAC member clubs, where all sorts of things are discussed including your item, whatever it is.

Of course,if you want to raise it with Hampden directly, then you are perfectly entitled to do so, we can supply the appropriate extension number if you wish.

Please do not start posting questions here – there is a link to contact us on our website– as stated at the outset we generally do not conduct conversations on anonymous forums. And, we fully expect that every line or word will be dissected by some and thrown back at us, we are used to that. We would hope however that you appreciate the sentiment and intent. We are all at the end of the day just Scotland fans trying to support our team.

Cool story. You probably wouldn't get grief if you didn't issue statements directed at all Scotland fans, criticising them and telling them what to do.  

[dandydunn]

1 minute ago, Parklife said:

Cool story. You probably wouldn't get grief if you didn't issue statements directed at all Scotland fans, criticising them and telling them what to do.  

Think that's where the main criticism of them is being aimed at for the moment. 

Come on here and berate the behaviour of albeit a very small minority,but don't criticise the behaviour of the ssc themselves,who started all this off by breaking a cardinal rule that they set in stone. 

The very least I would hope for,whilst not wanting to see someone lose their job over this,is that she is banned from future trips and distribution of tickets,much like the guy in question is banned from getting tickets.