Voting

[Scunnered]

7 minutes ago, thplinth said:

No but you are on here spouting your pish (just like Wings) all the time so I think it is a bit rich to be complaining about Wings spouting pish so much...ON HERE!

Are... Are you saying I'm not welcome here?

[TDYER63]

6 minutes ago, Return of Yermaw said:

am I being thick (probably)? what is this 54/55 business supposed to signify??

I thought it was to do with the 5-4 rangers win( won = number 1) ) equalling 55 which was the no vote percentage in referendum. But,  like i do in every episode of Columbo, i am probably over analysing it 

[aaid]

6 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I thought it was to do with the 5-4 rangers win( won = number 1) ) equalling 55 which was the no vote percentage in referendum. But,  like i do in every episode of Columbo, i am probably over analysing it 

Probably not, a start in analysing it would be to look at the date of the tweet. 

[thplinth]

10 minutes ago, Scunnered said:

Are... Are you saying I'm not welcome here?

No just that it is hypocritical. Wings might be a dick or a khunt or whatever. But he is also worth the odd read. Cant say the same for your posts.

Wings also seems capable of tearing into the SNP in ways you don't seem willing to do with Corbyn & Labour.

He is a bit of a rude kid. But so can you be. (Me too.) I dont care about that. I am glad he is about.

[TDYER63]

7 minutes ago, aaid said:

Probably not, a start in analysing it would be to look at the date of the tweet. 

Hahah i didnt say i was thorough in my analysing ! Typical big chunk so I am, better stick with Murder She Wrote.  I just seen the 2 captions and thought they were related.  

[Scunnered]

9 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Wings also seems capable of tearing into the SNP

Does he? I've never seen that.

[Toepoke]

Just watched Reporting Scotland for a bit there. If I didn't know the result I could have sworn our new government was going to be a Tory / LibDem coalition...

[phart]

I was out in the car and all the talk on radio was there will be no second referendum now. I only drove for 15 mins and heard the Tory leaders speech 4 times.

[neilser]

1 hour ago, Return of Yermaw said:

am I being thick (probably)? what is this 54/55 business supposed to signify??

Something to do with the club that died - I think he might want to add the title of champions of the lowest division as won by the new club in their first year of existence to the 54 top division titles the old club won.

Edited May 6, 2016 by neilser

[giblet]

Wings can be an arsehole, however his forensic critique of the Scottish media and the journos contained within is absolutely invaluable.

[Stu101]

9 minutes ago, phart said:

I was out in the car and all the talk on radio was there will be no second referendum now. I only drove for 15 mins and heard the Tory leaders speech 4 times.

There we be a second referendum, we all know that.

But how will 'yes' win it, if you based on the strategist/SNP own figures of consistent of consistently poling above 55.5-56% percent.

Apart from the post referendum swing, the percentage who would vote for independence has been nowhere close to that.

So what swings it? My friend who been an SNP member for plus 20 years (and worked for them for 10) has just left because they didn't "drive-home" the advantage last year. Gone to the greens.

I think the only way you do it is by really competent government. Which the SNP were much better with an a minority. Which means a long slog... but potentially rewarding if you main adversary is simply shouting an anti independence message.  

Be interesting to know those who voted 'yes' views?

[apologies if these come across as half cut rambling- not slept since 5.30 ish am thursday)

[thplinth]

We took the first chance we had in 300+years to put it to a vote. I have no complaints about that other than we 'lost'.

The next time will be the last time we get to vote IMHO (so neither side can afford to lose).

Therefore the only way a referendum should be called is when the polls are showing a large majority in favour of it. It will be poll driven date second time... not like the first time where we simply had to seize the chance before it was lost for potentially ever.

 

[Stu101]

19 minutes ago, neilser said:

Something to do with the club that died - I think he might want to add the title of champions of the lowest division as won by the new club in their first year of existence to the 54 top division titles the old club won.

And yet you miss the last study (that I am aware of) carried out by Glasgow University that stated Rangers fans were "much more likley" to identify with the SNP than Celtic fans (who had Labour, then followed SNP). If Glasgow is 50:50 Rangers/Celtic (an estimation, I know), you think no Rangers fans voted for the SNP- based on what happened ?

You may also remember that trap that Labour fell into where they thought that people had one dimension..... and look what happened to them... ironically this is what the 'yes' vote was so strong on avoiding last year. Now its highly amusing in context, especially looking at Facebook tonight,

Anyway- off for diner.. 

[Stu101]

2 minutes ago, thplinth said:

We took the first chance we had in 300+years to put it to a vote. I have no complaints about that other than we 'lost'.

The next time will be the last time we get to vote IMHO (so neither side can afford to lose).

Therefore the only way a referendum should be called is when the polls are showing a large majority in favour of it. It will be poll driven date second time... not like the first time where we simply had to seize the chance before it was lost for potentially ever.

 

Be interesting to know though what you think would trigger that second vote?

If the bookies are right, and we stay in the EU, then a cant imagine another event that would trigger it.

The only way I think you could get 'no' to move 'yes' would be by competent government. Probably a much better and organic way to do it. But also probably a long way off.  

[thplinth]

4 minutes ago, Stu101 said:

Be interesting to know though what you think would trigger that second vote?

If the bookies are right, and we stay in the EU, then a cant imagine another event that would trigger it.

The only way I think you could get 'no' to move 'yes' would be by competent government. Probably a much better and organic way to do it. But also probably a long way off.  

Nothing should trigger the "second" vote (or to call it by its true name the "last" vote) other than a consistent and large lead in every poll taken for at least two years in favour of Yes. Nothing else.

You cannot afford to lose a second one. Then the dream really is over.  Let folk lead you over the line rather than you trying to push them over it. That is the only way now. And it makes sense. Stop pushing and it will happen.

[phart]

16 minutes ago, thplinth said:

We took the first chance we had in 300+years to put it to a vote. I have no complaints about that other than we 'lost'.

The next time will be the last time we get to vote IMHO (so neither side can afford to lose).

Therefore the only way a referendum should be called is when the polls are showing a large majority in favour of it. It will be poll driven date second time... not like the first time where we simply had to seize the chance before it was lost for potentially ever.

 

In hindsight, having it was much better than not having it.

[neilser]

17 minutes ago, Stu101 said:

And yet you miss the last study (that I am aware of) carried out by Glasgow University that stated Rangers fans were "much more likley" to identify with the SNP than Celtic fans (who had Labour, then followed SNP). If Glasgow is 50:50 Rangers/Celtic (an estimation, I know), you think no Rangers fans voted for the SNP- based on what happened ?

You may also remember that trap that Labour fell into where they thought that people had one dimension..... and look what happened to them... ironically this is what the 'yes' vote was so strong on avoiding last year. Now its highly amusing in context, especially looking at Facebook tonight,

Anyway- off for diner.. 

I think you're meaning to quote someone else - I just posted a theory about the 54, 55 thing...

[thplinth]

7 minutes ago, phart said:

In hindsight, having it was much better than not having it.

The first one has created the chance of the second one.

[Stu101]

8 minutes ago, neilser said:

I think you're meaning to quote someone else - I just posted a theory about the 54, 55 thing...

Apologies- tired, half cut and posted on the way to dinner. I expect this reply will end up on the gardening forum.

[Toepoke]

51 minutes ago, Stu101 said:

There we be a second referendum, we all know that.

But how will 'yes' win it, if you based on the strategist/SNP own figures of consistent of consistently poling above 55.5-56% percent.

Apart from the post referendum swing, the percentage who would vote for independence has been nowhere close to that.

So what swings it? My friend who been an SNP member for plus 20 years (and worked for them for 10) has just left because they didn't "drive-home" the advantage last year. Gone to the greens.

I think the only way you do it is by really competent government. Which the SNP were much better with an a minority. Which means a long slog... but potentially rewarding if you main adversary is simply shouting an anti independence message.

Be interesting to know those who voted 'yes' views?

[apologies if these come across as half cut rambling- not slept since 5.30 ish am thursday)

I'm looking forward to a few years of government without the emphasis on an independence referendum (assuming we remain in the EU). I thought the SNP achieved a lot more in terms of governance during their first term when they were able to focus on running the country within the available parameters and not trying to sell their vision for the future continually...

[iainmac1]

1 hour ago, phart said:

I was out in the car and all the talk on radio was there will be no second referendum now. I only drove for 15 mins and heard the Tory leaders speech 4 times.

I've seen this all over Facebook but it makes no sense. There is a pro independence majority. Yes Patrick Harvie doesn't think we should rush into one but neither does Nicola Sturgeon. When Sturgeon thinks the time is right to go for it she will most likely have Green support. 

[iainmac1]

1 hour ago, Toepoke said:

Just watched Reporting Scotland for a bit there. If I didn't know the result I could have sworn our new government was going to be a Tory / LibDem coalition...

Lib Dems popping champagne and celebrating. They gained no seats and were overtaken by the Greens. A bit cringy even watching it. Obviously celebrating not being wiped out.

[neilser]

16 minutes ago, Stu101 said:

Apologies- tired, half cut and posted on the way to dinner. I expect this reply will end up on the gardening forum.

No worries.

The best time to mulch entire beds or borders is in late-winter or early spring. This will trap in moisture from wet weather and ensure beds don’t dry out quickly in the heat of summer

[flynnyboy]

WoS is clearly on a bender which has caused utter rage about pro Indy voters who voted green in any way. Got blocked tonight for daring to challenge his warpath on fellow independence supporters who dared vote for a pro Indy party which wasn't the SNP, for the record they got my consistuancy vote whilst the greens got my regional. Embarrassing. To be honest although his articles were decent his football rantings on his independence page and his clearly drunken outbursts at time made it difficult reading at times. 

[Eisegerwind]

Not read any of this thread or taken much interest in this vote but my understanding is that the 'plastic' socialists got fcud, SNP win, proper Tories 2nd in Scotland. Seems alright to me. As someone who would probably label themselves, if pushed, as an 'International Socialist', it gives me great pleasure to see to see the Labour party in Scotland fcued,