thplinth Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 The only way President Donald Trump is not going to be president in a few weeks is by an assassins hand. And if that happens then it will not be like 1963... You'd be looking at modern day version of a US civil war. And that is why it is not going to happen. No impeachment, no lone gunman bullshit... Just get used to it. He won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, thplinth said: It is a funny business all of this. I would say about 10% of Trumps support (enough to win it for him) was not due to liking Trump so much but more due to their intense revulsion at the tactics of the left. (See all that identity politics pish... go yourselves from now until the end of time.) For me that is the case. I am rooting for Trump mostly due to how much I loath his enemies not so much how much I like him. They repulse me. Although Trump is crazily likeable. You don't get that somehow. Because you never watch him for more than 2 seconds... I am prepared to give him a free pass on Israel, Iran and a whole bunch of shit until I can tell who he really is. With Trump actions are everything. He is a results man. So too early to tell. Let's see what he does in the middle east... We don t know yet but so far he has not betrayed anyone that I can see, Time will tell as it always will. Pity so few can wait and see and judge him on it fairly. Trump is as close to JFK as we will see in our lifetimes. He's a total f@nny, so was JFK though, priviliged entitled f@nnies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 minute ago, phart said: He's a total f@nny, so was JFK though, priviliged entitled f@nnies. Yeah man! every where you look you see these parallels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) Disagree with you on JFK but. I think he was the real deal (if belatedly) and they killed him because he was determined to make peace with Russia amongst other things. They dressed it up as him being a national security threat but it was just like it is now with Trump. It is just an excuse to kill people who stand up to the 'deep state' whatever that actually means. And also I suppose I disagree with you on Trump. I think they are / were both good guys and not fannies. Edited March 24, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) The whole message of the movie JFK was that it was a coup d'etat and not a lone gunman. And it was. So do you think after a coup like that they would just relinquish power back to 'democracy' at the next election cycle? Since they killed Kennedy - 50 years ago now! - it has been almost unbroken power in their hands. I would say with the exception of Carter and (yes) Reagan most presidents since have been "assets". The Bush Family and the Clinton Family are CIA all the way. Edited March 24, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 It's early days but in terms of the Middle East he's just carrying on from Obama's administration from what I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aaid Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 On 24/03/2017 at 10:27 PM, thplinth said: The whole message of the movie JFK was that it was a coup d'etat and not a lone gunman. And it was. So do you think after a coup like that they would just relinquish power back to 'democracy' at the next election cycle? Since they killed Kennedy - 50 years ago now! - it has been almost unbroken power in their hands. I would say with the exception of Carter and (yes) Reagan most presidents since have been "assets". The Bush Family and the Clinton Family are CIA all the way. George Bush, CIA, who knew? Well apart from him being CIA director in the 1970s being a bit of a giveaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 JFK is a magic film but any message Stone tried to get across was wasted by the complete horseshit passed on as fact he introduced into the movie I personally felt let down when i discovered this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny's Yard Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: George Bush, CIA, who knew? Well apart from him being CIA director in the 1970s being a bit of a giveaway. I always have a little chuckle to myself when I drive past this place... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_Center_for_Intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny's Yard Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 It has been a tough couple of months for the Trump administration. The Obamacare repeal and replace act was pulled due to lack of supprt from within their own party. The Republicans are obviously still very divided. That failure to repeal Obamacare means they can't afford to implement the tax cuts they promised. The Russian thing rumbles on. Both of Trump's executive orders halting immigration have been stopped by the courts. And no wall yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Comparing Trump and JFK seriously? Surely that's a jump too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 4 hours ago, aaid said: George Bush, CIA, who knew? Well apart from him being CIA director in the 1970s being a bit of a giveaway. Talking before then, Hoover had a memo that names him as the field officer who reports to him. (Some ambiguity of which George Bush) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 5 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: JFK is a magic film but any message Stone tried to get across was wasted by the complete horseshit passed on as fact he introduced into the movie I personally felt let down when i discovered this What are some examples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 5 hours ago, aaid said: George Bush, CIA, who knew? Well apart from him being CIA director in the 1970s being a bit of a giveaway. 4 hours ago, Denny's Yard said: I always have a little chuckle to myself when I drive past this place... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_Center_for_Intelligence thplinth was referring to George Bush Sr. denying that he was CIA back in 1963. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 That photo could be absolutely anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 What I am referring to is this... https://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Americas-Invisible-Government/dp/1608190064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 6 hours ago, aaid said: George Bush, CIA, who knew? Well apart from him being CIA director in the 1970s being a bit of a giveaway. Aye good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: What are some examples? There are so many there was even a documentary about it which i have tried to find but cant I find it hard to believe that an efficianado of the JFK assassination like yourself wouldnt know this already. However http://22november1963.org.uk/factual-errors-oliver-stone-movie-jfk Edited March 26, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: I find it hard to believe that an efficianado of the JFK assassination like yourself wouldnt know this already. I've never used the movie 'JFK' as a reference to the actual events though (but I'll watch those links). Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 7 hours ago, aaid said: That photo could be absolutely anyone. The fact is, is that he got caught lying when he claimed that he wasn't in the CIA or Dallas on 11/22/63. 'Memo from J. Edgar Hoover to the State Department's Intelligence & Research Bureaeu (INR), dated 29 November 1963, advising of a briefing given by an FBI agent to "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" on 23 November 1963. Obtained from US National Security Archives.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: The fact is, is that he got caught lying when he claimed that he wasn't in the CIA or Dallas on 11/22/63. 'Memo from J. Edgar Hoover to the State Department's Intelligence & Research Bureaeu (INR), dated 29 November 1963, advising of a briefing given by an FBI agent to "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" on 23 November 1963. Obtained from US National Security Archives.' Do you deny you played centre back for Partick Thistle in 2001? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's not just that, his company was used for the bay of pigs, similarities in names. Paper trails to Bush companies etc. Also we're debating a straw-man i inadvertently set up as thplinth has shown the source of his claim and it's a book i'm suspecting no one else involved has read yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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