Ally Bongo Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 13 hours ago, thplinth said: Wow looks very much like Obama used some pretense to have Trump bugged during the election. Then he made sure the 'intelligence' was as widely distributed as he could before leaving office. You can see where this is heading from this story... http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/04/hannity-tweetstorm-grills-obama-underlings-on-fisa-trump-attack/ And this vid gives you an idea of what has happened... http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/04/tony-shaffer-barack-obama-wiretapping-trump-tower I would think it is now far more likely Obama or some of team could face indictment for something long before Trump is ever impeached for anything. It also means Trump was clean of all this Russia bullshit as you can be sure it would have been 'leaked' long ago by now. Totally outrageous what Obama did. As the man says above Soviet level interference in an election. He had publicly backed Clinton and he orders her opponent put under surveillance to try to find dirt to pass to Team Clinton. Wow I guess he thinks his shit really does not stink. It is not the Trump side who are the proto-fascists... This makes Watergate look like fhukk all in comparison. It will have been done 'legally' but that is not going to hold up I reckon. It was clearly politically motivated and that is going to be hard to shake off. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/3-terrifying-reasons-for-trumps-latest-rant_us_58bc4f06e4b0b998941839e2?section=us_politics Early Saturday morning, March 4, the 45th president of the United States alleged in a series of tweets that former president Barack Obama orchestrated a “Nixon/Watergate” plot to tap Trump’s phones at his Trump Tower headquarters last fall in the run-up to the election. Trump concluded that the former president is a “Bad (or sick) guy!” Sunday morning, Trump called for a congressional investigation. Trump cited no evidence for his accusation. Folks, we’ve got a huge problem on our hands. Either: 1. Trump is more nuts than we suspected – a true delusional paranoid. Trump’s outburst was triggered by commentary in the “alt-right” publication, Breitbart News, on Friday, which reported an assertion made Thursday night by right-wing talk-radio host Mark Levin suggesting Obama and his administration used “police state” tactics last fall to monitor the Trump team’s dealings with Russian operatives. If this was the case, we’ve got a president willing to put the prestige and power of his office behind baseless claims emanating from well-known right-wing purveyors of lies. Which means Trump shouldn’t be anywhere near the nuclear codes that could obliterate the planet, or near anything else that could determine the fate of America or the world. 2. The second possibility is that Trump is correct, and the Obama administration did in fact tap his phones. But if this was the case, before the tap could occur it’s highly likely Trump committed a very serious crime, including treason. No president can order a wiretap on his own. For federal agents to obtain a wiretap on Trump, or anyone else, the Justice Department would first have had to convince a federal judge that it had gathered sufficient evidence of probable cause to believe Trump had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal or foreign intelligence wiretap. In which case we have someone in the White House who shouldn’t be making decisions that could endanger America or the world. 3. The third possible explanation for Trump’s rant is he’s trying to divert public attention from the Jeff Sessions imbroglio and multiple investigations of Trump associates already found to have been in contact with Russian agents during the election, when Russian operatives interfered with the election on Trump’s behalf. Maybe he’s trying to build a case that the entire Russian story is a plot concocted by the Obama Administration – along with the intelligence agencies and the mainstream press – to bring Trump down. This way, he can inoculate himself against more damaging evidence to come. But if it’s all a big show to divert attention and undermine the credibility of the intelligence agencies and the press, Trump is willing to do anything to keep his job – even if that means destroying the fabric of our democracy. So there you have it. Whatever the reason for Trump’s rant, America is in deep trouble. We have a president who is either a dangerous paranoid who’s making judgments based on right-wing crackpots, has in all likelihood committed treason, or is willing to sacrifice public trust in our basic institutions to further his selfish goals. Each of these possible reasons is as terrifying as the other. For Democrats to be the only ones sounding the alarm risks turning it into the new normal of partisanship, further dividing the country along party lines. For Obama himself to respond would only dignify it. So the responsibility falls to Republican leaders. They must stand up and call this what it is: Dangerous demagoguery. I call on former Republican presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, former Republican senators and members of Congress, and current Republican senators and members of Congress, to stop this outrage. We are in a serious crisis of governance, and their voices are critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 BBC Breaking NewsVerified account @BBCBreaking FBI chief James Comey has rejected President Trump's claim that Barack Obama tapped his phone, US media report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I am the only person thinking "I'd be surprised if Trump's phone wasn't tapped". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 19 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Interesting to see now this develops. The democrats and medias obsessesion with Russia is beyond farcical. Aye, why are they obsessed with the Russians? You would think they are trying to start up the old war again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 21 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Aye, why are they obsessed with the Russians? You would think they are trying to start up the old war again. Yeah that is suddenly starting to make a lot more sense now... This is a huge scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 FFS Come back Scotty - all is forgiven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 On 29/01/2017 at 10:31 PM, Ally Bongo said: Far more Muslims are being murdered in the Middle East than Christians It is an Islamic civil war - if you are not a certain type of Muslim you are toast along with members of any other religion Besides i sincerely doubt any of Trump's policies have anything to do with that It's simply to get the evangelicals on board http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04nhf7m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, Flure said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04nhf7m Nobody ever disputed that Christians were being persecuted Christians have been persecuted in the middle east for over 1000 years - it's nothing new But so are other Muslims/Faiths - and far more of them It is a wide brush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Just now, Ally Bongo said: Nobody ever disputed that Christians were being persecuted Christians have been persecuted in the middle east for over 1000 years - it's nothing new But so are other Muslims/Faiths - and far more of them It is a wide brush Indeed, however, if I remember that broadcast correctly, it disputed the claims of some, of the numbers of Christians that were being killed because of their faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 "If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are then Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble." http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-obama-could-be-prosecuted-if-involved-with-illegal-surveillance/ "One of the best and most even-handed observers of the wiretapping drama is Andy McCarthy, who writes for the decidedly non-Trumpian National Review. McCarthy’s Sunday post on the matter is well worth reading in full. His key point is that some highly unusual FISA requests for surveillance on the Trump campaign were made and were denied by the court, as very few such requests are. The Obama administration was persistent and eventually obtained the authorization it wanted, but there is reason to suspect it was not entirely candid with the FISA court on its final, successful request." http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445504/obama-camp-disingenuous-denials-fisa-surveillance-trump I'd be a bit worried if I was on Team Obama. This does not look good even if they technically did not break the law at first review. They'll be something they can get them on and they should go after them as this is beyond the pale. He was supposed to be retiring to Hawaii and instead he buys a $6m house just down the road from the Whitehouse... I'd say it is time to go for him same way he is going for Trump. Should be interesting viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Is there any actual evidence for what Trump (a known liar) has claimed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pool Q said: Is there any actual evidence for what Trump (a known liar) has claimed? Apparently it was on Breibart's website. Can't get any more conclusive than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Pool Q said: Is there any actual evidence for what Trump (a known liar) has claimed? Not sure. I wouldn't put anything past Obama (a known liar and big fan of extra-judicial killings). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Ohhhh now suddenly people want to see evidence for claims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 hour ago, thplinth said: Ohhhh now suddenly people want to see evidence for claims? Even in the Trump era, how is that unreasonable? As you pointed out this is potentially huge, why shouldn't people be looking for something in the way of evidence to substantiate Trump's claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) It is not Trump's claim. He just saw it reported. Mark Levin: "The Evidence Is Overwhelming" That Obama Administration Spied On Trump Weirdly it was a Louise Mensch (the ex MP?) who broke one of the stories Levin mentions above. https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/ Plus the NYT reported it... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0 and again... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?_r=0 ...and lots of other US newspapers mentioned in the Levin interview. It was all in the public domain. Edited March 6, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 It is a win win for Trump. If it turns out they were spying on him that is going to look really bad for them very possibly even criminally bad. And if it turns out they were not spying on him he will have outed all the newspapers and news networks for lying through their teeth when they wrote all of this Russia garbage saying it was all based on intercepted calls and intelligence etc... (Based on the heavy back tracking they are doing now this seems the most likely outcome.) Very shrewd move from Trump. Played a blinder yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) And another thing, why is it so bad that folk are talking to the Russians? I would be more concerned if they weren't talking to the Russians. Edited March 6, 2017 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I don't have anyway to corroborate the tapping accusation. Considering everything that has been leaked/disclosed previously. I find it hard to believe that almost all info isn't being tapped, but maybe not sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 The biggest story is a FISA being denied. The only other one out of 10's of 1000's was Zacarias Moussaoui computer they decided to not use it to access his computer. Probably cause it would incriminate the other players in 9/11. Justice Department document shows Fisa court continued trend by rejecting none of 1,457 requests made on behalf of NSA and FBI (same as the year before) https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/apr/30/fisa-court-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-fbi-nsa-applications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Have a listen to what this lady is saying... I think her analysis is spot on. http://video.foxnews.com/v/5351493108001/?#sp=show-clips Then we have this bombshell from wikileaks... http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/07/laura-ingraham-hannity-wikileaks-release-cia-documents What you have is here is a war. Trump is trying to reign in the CIA and the 'deep state' and I think he has the backing of the pentagon so it is essentially Pentagon V CIA. Trump is actually the good guy here. Which is why you see all the forces of evil attacking him like their lives depend on it. Because they do. Very interesting seeing how people have swallowed the propaganda about Trump hook line and sinker but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yeah i saw the release of the CIA hacking toolbook. They capture everything, then they can go back and sift for what they need. The fact that everything is captured is the big story, Trump getting captured is part of everyone, they then just went back and sifted the data and that's why we have the new claims etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 One of the most curious things in all of this was the gigantic size of Donald Trumps's balls. The way the geezer just took them all on... And still does. I think this is explained by the fact that the Pentagon has his back. Who else would take on the world (including the CIA) and be 100+% sure of winning? All those generals in his team... This is going to be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, thplinth said: One of the most curious things in all of this was the gigantic size of Donald Trumps's balls. The way the geezer just took them all on... And still does. Every single dictator in the history of man had balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ormond said: Every single dictator in the history of man had balls. Really so how many balls did Hitler have when he was dictating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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