Grim Jim Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 ......if lucky....we cud get an easy draw in the playoffs.... I think you should let us have 3rd spot. We have more chance of being seeded and therefore getting through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjaxed Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I think you should let us have 3rd spot. We have more chance of being seeded and therefore getting through Actually, with the Dutch making an complete shambles of their group, Ireland would be seeded should the Dutch not get into the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Really sitting down and working things out shows that to get an automatic qualifying spot we'll realistically have to win all 3 games. Even getting 3rd place means that we'll probably have to get a minimum of 4 points, and even that might not be enough. We royally ####ed up on Friday, no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Really sitting down and working things out shows that to get an automatic qualifying spot we'll realistically have to win all 3 games. Even getting 3rd place means that we'll probably have to get a minimum of 4 points, and even that might not be enough. We royally ####ed up on Friday, no doubt about it. At the start of the group did you really think we would even get a play off spot by only winning 3 of our 5 home games? If we win one of our last 2 home games we will almost definitely get the play off spot at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 At the start of the group did you really think we would even get a play off spot by only winning 3 of our 5 home games? If we win one of our last 2 home games we will almost definitely get the play off spot at worst. Aye, that's true. They're 2 difficult home games though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) I think we are going ot make it, but it's our next 90 minutes which is going to count. My reasoning is GI believe ermany is going to beat Ireland, and their last match is against Poland, the Poles will not want to be dragged into the play off, every team wants to win. We must play with a spirited display like we did yesterday albeit against World Champ's. I predict us ending the group on 15 points - totally not how I saw this a month ago. I am convinced the issue on Friday was simply we could not handle the pressure. Georgia won, and thats how football goes. I just ran some rough scenarios and I have the following outcome, although I could do this in an hour and see it entirely different. I have us making the play's and having the 2nd lowest co-efficient. Ukraine are going to be best placed 3rd. Russia, Netherlands, Romania, Israel - top 4 seeds Slovenia, Scotland, Denmark and Norway If you had asked me on Thursday night, I would have said if we made it into the Play Offs - We are not going to make it. Now, I am convincing myself that it is not as clear cut as that. The only seed that I would loathe right now is Netherlands and that's because of historial reputation rather than current form. I'm now thinking either Norway, Croatia or Ukraine will be best placed 3rd. We have a cup final with Poland for us, the bad news is Slovakia are riding high and that means...ah never mind its all doom and gloom being a Scotland fan. I will be rooting for the under dogs in the hopes by some miracle we end up seeded and drawn with a low scoring Estonia team. Edited September 7, 2015 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo `81 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think Scotland will now not qualify - Even if we beat Poland - which is no "given" - and get to the Play Offs, we will lose regardless of who we play - Love to be wrong, and pay a £25 Charity Bet out I have struck on here !, but doubt it. Ultimately, I can see, despite what WGS says to contrary, "settling "for a draw in Dublin with 20 mins to go being the thing which comes back to bite us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think we've now blown it must admit at the time a wiz happy takin a point in Dublin but now the points buffer of a win that day is looking so important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think we've now blown it must admit at the time a wiz happy takin a point in Dublin but now the points buffer of a win that day is looking so important We were lucky to get a point that day but. We could have been oot on our erses already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 We were lucky to get a point that day but. We could have been oot on our erses already! Aye, that's what I thought too. We were just as likely to lose that game as win it. A draw was a decent result. As you say, if we had lost it we would already be out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radian_13 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I can see Ireland getting what they need to get to play offs. Similar team to us but we bottle it and Irelsnd have a better mentality and a steelness to them which we lack at the vital times. In reality we could have snatched a point in Germany, could have won in Poland but never cause we don't have the mentality, i'll always be a bit pissed off the same players bottled it in Georgia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Oddschecker have Scotland at 8/1 to qualify and Ireland at 7/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Oddschecker have Scotland at 8/1 to qualify and Ireland at 7/4 Makes sense. We could be out after the next game. Ireland will still be in it, no matter what happens in the next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Probably takes into account Ireland more likely to be seeded than us in playoffs as well (and the fact they still have a chance of second) Would like to see odds on just finishing 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 The equation seems relatively simple to me: -if we can beat Poland (they're not as good as Germany some folk seem to be forgetting) and Ireland don't beat Germany (very unlikely, 1-6 was the score the last time those two played in Dublin), we just need to beat Gibraltar and we're in a play-off. Poland v Ireland would then be irrelevant to us as the Poles would need a draw for 2nd and Ireland would need a win for 2nd. The team not getting the result they need would finish 4th. -a draw against Poland and Ireland losing against Germany would leave us needing Poland to beat Ireland for us to get a play-off. A draw would give Poland 2nd and Ireland 3rd, which is probably what would happen. The Irish would be in the strange position of whether to gamble and go for the win which would give them 2nd (leaving themselves open to the counter) or settling for the draw which would guarantee them a play-off. I'd thought that us drawing against Poland and Ireland losing both games was more than conceivable but now tend to think that Poland v Ireland would end in a draw as I don't think Ireland would go all out for a win and Poland wouldn't need to win. The romantic in me tends to think that we aren't good enough to beat Poland and will draw that match. Ireland might just lose both games and we could just sneak through in a play-off. We like to do things the hard way let's not forget. Ultimately we need to beat Poland for a play-off place to be in our hands. In the past, I've been stupidly optimistic about qualification hopes under Burley & Levein. Under Strachan, I don't think it's so stupid to be optimistic. Georgia is probably the only bad result & performance of this campaign. Under his reign, only his first couple of games against Serbia & Wales or the home game against a very good Belgium team can really rank in that category. So yes we can still qualify with Strachan as our manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 We won't beat Poland. There's too much pressure on it now. Why the f*** do we always leave ourselves in situations with 3 games to go when we are analysing multiple spreadsheets with every permutation of results possible and we still fail? What's wrong with doing it right, winning all games and ensuring our own qualification with a couple of games to spare? Rossy's bang on (for once) - we right royally pissed it up against a wall against Georgia. And we missed a trick in Dublin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 No. And that won't change for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I think Poland will come to Hampden full of confidence. They can only throw it away now. As above I can't see us beating Poland at present. What a difference in mood since this time last year in Dortmund & Warsaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Still semi- confident we will beat Poland. Its do or die and we have to go for it- one last through of the dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I can't see us "going for it" If there was ever a game not to lose an early goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I can't see us "going for it" If there was ever a game not to lose an early goal. Or as I would prefer to look at it....... "If there was ever a game to score an early goal" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Or as I would prefer to look at it....... "If there was ever a game to score an early goal" Agreed But can you imagine hanging on for 89 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langtonian Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I can't see us "going for it" If there was ever a game not to lose an early goal. agree we won't go for it and if we did we,d get picked off by the Poles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 A draw is no use, so we must go for a win. Ofcourse strachan will most probually try and play counter attack football, but with ten minutes to go and we are not in the lead- surley he will go all out for the win. I thought he could have went for the win in dublin, but with 10 mins to go he brought Berra on and shut up shop for the point. That is not an option for the poland game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Agreed But can you imagine hanging on for 89 mins I am not sure how to approach this game as a spectator, will it be less stressful being half jaked or stone cold sober? My nerves are going to be shot to bits either way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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