AberdeenAngus Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 There is NO way the UK will vote to leave the EU. Not a chance. SNP just need to tread carefully because they'll be campaigning alongside Labour and Tories. Let me correct that, the SNP must make sure they campaign on their own and have nothing to do with Labour or the Tories. Run their own, distinctive, Scottish campaign and it'll be fine. UK will vote to stay in though. Anyone hoping that will be an #indyref2 trigger will be disappointed. This 100%. Campaign to stay in but do it completely separately from those in the Tory & Red Tory parties who want to stay in. That is one big lesson to learn from last year's Referendum. SNP can actually make quite a bit of capital from this by doing their own campaigning. The can't point out the absurdity of Cameron wanting to stay in but being the reason for the Referendum in the first place by playing to those in his party who would vote to leave the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Very much doubt Trident will be a trigger as I'm not sure polling is quite conclusive on it. The only trigger for independence will be absolutely certainty we'll win it and that's consistent polling above 60/65%. We're way off that and people would do well to expect it to be 5 years off because the last thing Sturgeon needs is to feel the heat because of impatience in core support. Only explicit trigger we are likely to see is an EU exit. Yep, we need to be absolutely certain we're going to win. We won't get a third shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Am I right in thinking that gen election was over 18s only ? Referendum was 16, and lot of young team was Yes ( I understand) 16-18 year olds delivered a majority 'No'. It was 18-35 that was 'Yes'. 35+ were 'No'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNTINGMcGREGOR Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) I have a really flat feeling at the moment, jubilant at the result but was really hoping for a hung parliament - Englnad has voted to a degree in avoiding a LAB/SNP coalition in my view, rather than really really wanting a Tory Govt. I can't help feeling that SNP can't really achieve very much now. We have voted for what we want in Scotland, and once again we end up with a UK Government we don't want and reject. I have this bad feeling, that if SNP over the course of these next few years, can't make their voice heard in Westminster, and cannot deliver some tangable results, then next time around, I can see the people of Scotland veer more towards tactically bolstering Labour to ensure we at least avoid another 5 years of Tories. The real power and momentum would have seriously been gained had it been a hung parliament. I was hoping that, from where I had read somewhere, that Scotland could break away without a Referendum because of the majority that SNP hold. Hopefully someone can show us a potential path - early days I know. Someone tell me I'm wrong and give me something positive - I'm stuck now, not knowing what the possibilities area. Edited May 9, 2015 by HUNTINGMcGREGOR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 There were risks with SNP having influence too. Perform too well and people might conclude there was no need for independence. Pros and cons whatever the result. At least this way the SNP have good people, more money, and five years without being overly worried about expectations and delivering policy. It gives them 5 years to hammer the UK political system and show it up for what it is. Ultimately, Scotland could have sent 59 Labour MPs and the outcome would be no different, such was UK Labour collapse. Difference this time is that we have 56 new, motivated, hungry supporters of independence. I preferred a Labour led government, but there's no doubt this is the result that puts Union in most danger. Something to be said for it being brought to a head quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) I admire that. Howeverm I personally think Salmond scored a massive own goal throughout the last referendum by repeatedly calling it a once in a lifetime chance. That kind of ruled out hopes of revisiting this subject. And considering the result was so close then it made it an even bigger own goal.So what? He's just one man and not even the leader of the SNP. Who is he to dictate the future will of the Scottish people.There could be a refrendum every second year of Scots voted for one every two years. At the moment the country dosent want one, but IMO "once in a lifetime" was just used to shore up the soft Yesses. J Edited May 9, 2015 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 UKIP greetin about their share of the vote is like Craig Broon saying we won the game on corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I was hoping that, from where I had read somewhere, that Scotland could break away without a Referendum because of the majority that SNP hold. The election was specifically NOT about independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well imo , the next big trigger could be the massive cuts to our budget , welfare reform and nhs. the barnett formula is THE red line ,england hates the system and his backbenchers will try to offer us ffa while the oil price is down ,finish barnett at once and make us borrow more from boe at excessive rates ,lumbering us with decades of debt where we can't grow our economy and challenge southern businesses . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If Cameron is smart he will give us FFA and say stuff over 7 years you have it now .Taxes would rise and people would get upset with the party raising the taxes . If we got independence we would have had control after 18 months so where has this drip feed over 7 years scenario come from all of a sudden ? Nicola and Alex will have to tread carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If Cameron is smart he will give us FFA and say stuff over 7 years you have it now .Taxes would rise and people would get upset with the party raising the taxes . If we got independence we would have had control after 18 months so where has this drip feed over 7 years scenario come from all of a sudden ? Nicola and Alex will have to tread carefully. agree, the amount of money in your pocket will dis-sway the soft YES voter in a referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 So what? He's just one man and not even the leader of the SNP. Who is he to dictate the future will of the Scottish people. There could be a refrendum every second year of Scots voted for one every two years. At the moment the country dosent want one, but IMO "once in a lifetime" was just used to shore up the soft Yesses. J What I am saying is that it was a friggin' daft thing for him to say and gives the unionists ammo now. Bring up independence and they throw the crap at you that it was a once in a lifetime chance or you had your chance an we voted to stay blah blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 16-18 year olds delivered a majority 'No'. It was 18-35 that was 'Yes'. 35+ were 'No'. Im sure you are wrong there Deecie Every demographic up to over 55 voted Yes im sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2014/09/19/scottish-referendum-who-voted-which-way/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29255449 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/scotland-referendum-who-voted-yes-4286743 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Had a quick look at the Scotsman. The pain and bitterness of the posters on there is a joy to behold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If Cameron is smart he will give us FFA and say stuff over 7 years you have it now .Taxes would rise and people would get upset with the party raising the taxes . If we got independence we would have had control after 18 months so where has this drip feed over 7 years scenario come from all of a sudden ? Nicola and Alex will have to tread carefully. It appears because the numbers no longer add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Had a quick look at the Scotsman. The pain and bitterness of the posters on there is a joy to behold! Don't tell me, they're railing against the evil national socialist separatist marxist communists led by the evil fishy salmon and sturgeon who have no mandate because they don't speak for scotland because they are so dangerously populist and divisive like thatcher and who are deluded to think they could run a country on their policies and never held to account for it because they run a one party state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 What about the SNP expanding all over the UK and giving the people of England an alternative or at least being an affiliate party ? Might not be as crazy as you (and i) initially think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Im sure you are wrong there Deecie Every demographic up to over 55 voted Yes im sure I remember reading differently. Suppose nobody will ever know the exact breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Suppose nobody will ever know the exact breakdown. 3 links i gave suggest otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Don't tell me, they're railing against the evil national socialist separatist marxist communists led by the evil fishy salmon and sturgeon who have no mandate because they don't speak for scotland because they are so dangerously populist and divisive like thatcher and who are deluded to think they could run a country on their policies and never held to account for it because they run a one party state? Pretty much. Its a huge mistake by the Scottish people. Apparently voting SNP got us the tories (some of them really are thick) and Nicola is powerless and will do what she is told by Cameron. The SNP have lied to us all and now we will be punished and deserve it all! Its a disaster and "nippy Nicki" is to blame. There are some really vile comments too. I just laughed at it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I have a really flat feeling at the moment, jubilant at the result but was really hoping for a hung parliament - Englnad has voted to a degree in avoiding a LAB/SNP coalition in my view, rather than really really wanting a Tory Govt. I can't help feeling that SNP can't really achieve very much now. We have voted for what we want in Scotland, and once again we end up with a UK Government we don't want and reject. I have this bad feeling, that if SNP over the course of these next few years, can't make their voice heard in Westminster, and cannot deliver some tangable results, then next time around, I can see the people of Scotland veer more towards tactically bolstering Labour to ensure we at least avoid another 5 years of Tories. The real power and momentum would have seriously been gained had it been a hung parliament. I was hoping that, from where I had read somewhere, that Scotland could break away without a Referendum because of the majority that SNP hold. Hopefully someone can show us a potential path - early days I know. Someone tell me I'm wrong and give me something positive - I'm stuck now, not knowing what the possibilities area. Imagine how flat the country would feel if it had returned 40+ Labour MPs and got a Tory government. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me umpteen times, I'm a total phanny. This might well be the high water mark for the SNP and they may never have this number of MPs combined with a Holyrood majority ever again. But with Labour and the Lib Dems in disarray and their Scottish parties decimated at Westminster this is a seismic change and everyone in Scotland should be excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 Pretty much. Its a huge mistake by the Scottish people. Apparently voting SNP got us the tories (some of them really are thick) and Nicola is powerless and will do what she is told by Cameron. The SNP have lied to us all and now we will be punished and deserve it all! Its a disaster and "nippy Nicki" is to blame. There are some really vile comments too. I just laughed at it all. There's one comment describing Mhairi Black as a 'lesbian alcoholic with learning difficulties'. These people are scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The election was specifically NOT about independence. That's not what the Tories said and they won, so maybe they were right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newryrep Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 In out Euro referendum is the key If England votes to leave and we dont then we will win a second referendum The £7 billion defecit as part of FFA will be nothing compared to what Scotland loses from non EU membership I wouldn't rely on England voting exit most of the media and the business world will be pro Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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