exile Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) What's going on? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29115556 Are there new powers or not? Agreed by whom exactly? Why so much airtime to an opposition backbencher? Edited September 8, 2014 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Forgive me for I don't know the details but rather I've hear second-hand thata) Gordon Brown has proposed a something and George Osbourne has proposed a something-else - both trying to stem the flood of voters turning to Yes.How does this work when some people (postal voters) have already voted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Gordon Brown is an opposition back bench MP. He has no power or authority to offer ANYTHING. Oh, he's also out of a job if we vote YES but I'm sure that's not influencing him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Here is the Wings view http://wingsoverscotland.com/we-dont-think-we-understand/#more-61445 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Oh they are shitting themselves now. ITV is glorious tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Brown - one of the architects of this financial austerity tits up shambles - fronts up to tell us how we'll all be better off together. As McDange says under what authority is this (for hire) after dinner speaker and former PM dud offering anything - as far as I was aware the establishment were getting their knickers wet over offering the devo max option on the ballot - now lo and behold it is being dangled back at us again. The smell of desperation from BT is now turning into an indescribable stench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Oh they are shitting themselves now. ITV is glorious tonight It's a heap of biased shite. Their 'THEIR' reporter says HE thinks we won't get a currency union because he has spoken to a few of his mates in the 'House' WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherps Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Oh they are shitting themselves now. They'll be shitting themselves even more a week on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Just saw Douglas Alexander on TV endorsing the Brown initiative. So is it official Labour policy, or BT policy? Where is Miliband, Darling, Cameron? Whose 'powers' are these - the Labour ones? When will English backbenchers get the chance to vote them down? After the 2015 General Election? Edited September 8, 2014 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Oh they are shitting themselves now. ITV is glorious tonight Clearly. Quite how 10 seconds for YES (AS) against 7 or 8 minutes of desperation, goalpost moving and bribery can be seen to have no bias is fukin bewildering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Surely to fuk there's something illegal in all of this. 200,000 postal votes are in FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 This is actually embarrassing now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Forgive me for I don't know the details but rather I've hear second-hand that a) Gordon Brown has proposed a something and George Osbourne has proposed a something-else - both trying to stem the flood of voters turning to Yes. How does this work when some people (postal voters) have already voted? Neither of them are proposing anything new. So, no new powers, just the new responsibilities already proposed which actually means less money and therefore actually less power. GB has just made up some sort of timetable for us to get this extra responsibility with less money. So nothing new really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Looks like their plan is to dress up the already published plans as real devo powers. Its basically a relaunch of what they did 6 weeks ago. they will bang on this to try and hoodwink a couple of % points of voters into thinking we are getting devo max when in reality it is extremely watered down powers. It also means Westminster would have to ratify the powers and it would not be enacted till after the next election. With the UKIP pressure on a potential Tory minority gov, there would be a snowball in hells chance of that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 They've had two fekkin years. GTF Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 They'll be shitting themselves even more a week on Friday. And they will be skint 2 weeks on Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Bbc insisting Mr brown is well regarded.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Bbc insisting Mr brown is well regarded.... He's got aboot as much credibility as Wullie Rennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 BBC reporting the brown plan as if it's a matter-of-fact fait accompli to deliver more powers What's the difference between BBC and Pravda? People knew Pravda was state propaganda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 How can this one sided pish be countered and blown apart for exactly what it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 How can this one sided pish be countered and blown apart for exactly what it is? Just keep telling everybody you know, who are prepared to listen, about how biased the BBC are. Have a few examples ready to give them. Folk are not daft, more and more of them are seeing through the BBC propaganda. We just need to keep on pointing out the BBC lies and scaremongering tactics. They seem to have gone into overdrive last night. I hope they keep this up until next Thursday. I have no doubt that the more blatant they get the more the last few remaining undecided folk will move to YES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 To be honest this is a worry. we have got history of being bought off with union lies and promises. please god dont let it happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_B81 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Far too late with these plans that will most probably not go through. Had Bitter Together come up with sufficient plans that back up that we'll be "better together" going forward rather than the scare-mongering tactics, they probably would've got the votes they wanted. Desperation now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morag Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 How can this one sided pish be countered and blown apart for exactly what it is? Pretty easily. And the response should turn even more people to YES. It all comes down to how these new powers are funded. YES = revenue from natural resources + exisiting personal taxation. NO = increased personal taxation (where does the oil revenue go do you reckon?). Nobody likes paying taxes. NO think that they are being very clever here. If Scots want more powers, then let them personally pay for them (that should turn the Scottish electorate away from wanting expensive new powers they think). However, these "new powers" can be paid for in another way. And Westminster won't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadridTA Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Surely we shouldn't have more powers...I mean what about the ship builders in Liverpool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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