Goozay Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 How can you hate you're country so much ? They don't. They think it is best served by the current constitutional arrangement. I literally don't understand it at all.. It absolutely infuriates me Then you're of little use to the nationalist cause. Calm yourself and actually listen to why they support the status quo. Only when you understand their perspective can you hope to win the argument. I can understand non Scots voting No but just cant get my head round why Scots did.Are we to go down in history as being the first nation to vote against our countries independence? Scots unionists should have the letter Q tattooed onto their foreheads as a mark of shame. Another ridiculous post to add to Peever's extensive back catalogue of ridiculous posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 How many countries do we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I can understand non Scots voting No but just cant get my head round why Scots did.Are we to go down in history as being the first nation to vote against our countries independence? Scots unionists should have the letter Q tattooed onto their foreheads as a mark of shame. the majority of Scots did not... it was those from outwith Scotland who changed the result... Malta also voted against independence... the first time... the only other country to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Can we call Unionists scabs ? Or is that being too nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Can we call Unionists scabs ? Or is that being too nice. Not a guid idea methinx.. we need a guid few of these guys to see the light, name calling wont help... work on them day by day , bit by bit... plant the seed and they will come over next time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 We aint going to win over no voters calling them traitors. It hurt and it still hurts like hell my fellow countryman voted against our chance to become a independent nation. Too many of my friends who voted no, love to call themselves Scottish, revel in its identity but felt that individually it was going to hurt them in the pocket. The issues around RBS and Standard Life in Edinburgh was massive, you are going to always default to the protection of your immediate family if it feels threatened. For me that is why Full Fiscal Autonomy is the best course of action. Get people like this used to everything being decided by the Scottish parliament, increase the feeling of a different country, it will permeate through the financial industry, threats second time around will not hit home as hard. Its still there for the taking, can anyone honestly see this drive for Independence stalling or going in reverse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Malta also voted against independence... the first time... the only other country to do so I'm sorry but this comes up again and again, and even if it were true (which it's not) so blinking what? A personal feeling of embarrassment is not a strong argument for independence. Will the people of an independent Scotland be better off than they are as part of the UK? That's what it comes down to; not what Malta may or may not have done in very different circumstances at a very different time. Edit: I didn't type 'blinking'... Edited April 14, 2015 by DonnyTJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It's just hard for many people to accept their fellow citizens didn't support such a fundamental question. But to get to 45% when the whole establishment was against is in many ways remarkable. I know nowt about Malta but presumablynot the case there. Big picture - indy now is almost inevitable, just a matter of time unless we shoot ourselves in foot and get another No too quickly after failing to learn the lessons in 2014. The currency issue was too open to criticism, and needs neutralized before another try. get Devo Max/FFA, let it run successfully for a bit - then the project Fear tactics won't work, or much much less. Add in demographics changes, given age range stats on voting, and it'd be surely a 60% Yes target. Not convinced if Nicola should have it in manifesto 2016, it all depends on the outcome next month I'd say. Next ref 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Manifesto or not, independence is the key issue for the SNP, if you disagree with it, then you shouldnt vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 This board is getting mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Will the people of an independent Scotland be better off than they are as part of the UK? That's what it comes down to; What do you mean by "better off"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 This board is getting mental They are just trying to make you feel at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 What do you mean by "better off"? Doesn't matter how I define it; I don't get a vote. It doesn't matter how those who do get a vote define it either. Whatever it means to each individual is fine: it's a better criterion than the 'laughing stock' argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Too many of my friends who voted no, love to call themselves Scottish, revel in its identity but felt that individually it was going to hurt them in the pocket. And there we have it. Tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menschlich Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I can understand non Scots voting No but just cant get my head round why Scots did.Are we to go down in history as being the first nation to vote against our countries independence? Scots unionists should have the letter Q tattooed onto their foreheads as a mark of shame. You are a fascist. Plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) I can understand non Scots voting No but just cant get my head round why Scots did.Are we to go down in history as being the first nation to vote against our countries independence? Scots unionists should have the letter Q tattooed onto their foreheads as a mark of shame. Those who routinely use the word "quisling" should have a "Q" tattooed to their head - q unts Edited April 15, 2015 by Return of Yermaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) You are a fascist. Plain and simple. I have been called worse.Funny how the nawbags hate the word quisling and call nationalists fascist nazi's. If you don't like the word quisling then good.It is not meant to be a term of endearment. Yi can ca me onythin yi want but yil niver ca me oor. Edited April 15, 2015 by peever1745 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Peever you and your like do more harm than good, no doubt you'll probably see that as a good thing and a badge of honour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Peever you and your like do more harm than good, no doubt you'll probably see that as a good thing and a badge of honour Care to explain? You have nae a clue what I and my like do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Care to explain? You have nae a clue what I and my like do. Well if you call people who voted no quislings in real life then you're not helping the Indy cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Well if you call people who voted no quislings in real life then you're not helping the Indy cause. What will we call them then? Nice cuddly bunny's who would rather Scotland was run from and by a foreign country.Look at the definition of Quisling then tell me I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I have been called worse.Funny how the nawbags hate the word quisling and call nationalists fascist nazi's. If you don't like the word quisling then good.It is not meant to be a term of endearment. Yi can ca me onythin yi want but yil niver ca me oor. Nationalists aren't fascist nazi's. You are a fascist though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I can understand non Scots voting No but just cant get my head round why Scots did.Are we to go down in history as being the first nation to vote against our countries independence? Scots unionists should have the letter Q tattooed onto their foreheads as a mark of shame. It's very easy to understand why people voted no when there are people like you about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I have been called worse.Funny how the nawbags hate the word quisling and call nationalists fascist nazi's. Suggesting that political opponents are physically branded for life is a fairly fascist attitude IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Suggesting that political opponents are physically branded for life is a fairly fascist attitude IMO... correct.The only one who should be branded is Jim Murphy. and I would use four letters rather than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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