DoonTheSlope Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 There’s some strong evidence of the Tartan Army rich/poor divide on the new ticketing system thread. One stand out comment being “if you desperately want a point then buy a ticket” but not everyone is in a financial position to spend three figures on tickets they aren’t likely to use just to climb the point ladder. Some are also mindful that the harvesting of points has a detrimental effect on good honest fellow patrons on the lower end of the scale People buying ticket packages which often go unused or given/sold to someone else while the SSC member gains a point which goes a long way to future away games and finals sales priority I’m sure most of us on the board are of a socialist political mindset and want to see a fairer society for all at all walks of life, even at the fitbaw Perhaps it’s maybe time to have a period of levelling up. Members on a higher number of points ie elite perhaps only gain 1 point for away games while those on a lower number ie riff raff continue to gain 2. Similarly with home games the elite gain zero whereas the riff raff still gain 1 Another option might be to go all out socialist and half elite members points. Maybe even have a clean slate and all members start at zero. Tax the rich if you will. A fairer opportunity for all This would be a great deterrent to those who are harvesting points at home games which for the last 6 years has gone unpoliced. Thankfully it looks like all away games are now 100% pick up so this new procedure of the app allocating points per attendance for home games is a welcome addition Please be mindful of the threads title. A grown up conversation. Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Is stopping points for home games a good idea. We didn't used to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 10 minutes ago, stocky said: Is stopping points for home games a good idea. We didn't used to get them. It’s certainly a topic that’s worth discussion. We never used to get them for away games either and the running of the travel club was an almost seamless operation thanks to the likes of Marjorie Nimmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 59 minutes ago, stocky said: Is stopping points for home games a good idea. We didn't used to get them. No, we should be going the other way if anything. 2 points for a home game one for an away game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Bra Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, DoonTheSlope said: It’s certainly a topic that’s worth discussion. We never used to get them for away games either and the running of the travel club was an almost seamless operation thanks to the likes of Marjorie Nimmo That’s before my day. How did they allocate tickets for away games if there was no points system, first come first served? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfieMoon Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, The Black Bra said: That’s before my day. How did they allocate tickets for away games if there was no points system, first come first served? First come, first served - with a ballot, if oversubscribed. I think sometimes they would implement differing policy on a game-by-game or tournament basis where they would decide the rules on an ad-hoc basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Im not sure leveling up is either far or required. Its generally accepted that those who go to the most games get the opportunity to go to the most sought after games. There was an issue identified where sombody could go to a handful of away games (say 4) but never attend a home game. This person would get priority over somebody who attended every home game and 3 away games. Thats the reason the home point was brought in. To reward attendence nomatter where the game is played. The big problem with the SSC at the moment is that those running it arent making things easier for the members. Simple things like recognising that unforseen things happen. As ive said elsewhere, allow a ticket to be transferred but dont allow the home point. Its easy enough to monitor if somebody was doing it for the majority of games in which case they could have their membership suspended. But even then the only real advantage they would be getting is securing a home ticket and even then they would be paying the membership for this priviledge. I also wish they would open up the entire stadium when tickets go on sale. The SFA have an idea of how popular games are going to be, there is no need to hold back sale of south stand lower etc when its always going to sell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ84 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Load of pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The idea you should be expected to buy 5 games on the bounce doesn't sit right with me, I have to say. I think the points thing is a load of waffle, though Going to an away game should be more points than a home, there's more to it. I think the points system is generally quite fair, it's obviously never going to be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Leaving aside the rich/poor dig in this ‘grown up ‘ debate you are never going to please everyone . It is shit , but I really am not sure how you make it fairer. For 14 years I could never get to any away games as I had 2 children so could not get away, as well as not being able to afford it. I just had to suck it up. Loads of folk will have restrictions of their own, but some folk will have none of the restrictions . Life is not balanced. I still dont have enough points for many away games despite ATTENDING almost every home game for the last 20 yrs. If you want to make things fairer financially then I suggest the SFA get back to individual sales nearer the time. Points become totally irrelevant when people cant afford to buy the tickets months in advance , even the individual ones. Or they could implement a ‘pay up’ structure , but that has disaster written over it if the current organisation is anything to go by. As far as points issue is concerned the ‘can transfer but dont get a point ‘ solution is the obvious workaround. It must have cost a bit of money to get this app to where it is , it would not have cost much more to add a function like this. Maybe it has and we just have not been told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 These arguments always come up when there is any sort of expensive or complicated clamour for tickets. The Euros tickets was no exception. Without bringing the financial argument into it just yet, I've always said the last couple of campaigns the SFA have been "smarter" with their provision of an opportunity to sell tickets to all games which guarantees bums on seats one way or another. Good optically for the team as well as financially. On the financial argument, the argument that people who can buy match packages are minted is quite a general misconception, and people do make sacrifices financially and personally to watch football. Putting it into perspective vs club football, if you support say a SPFL Championship team, your standard ticket price these days is about £22. If you're not a season ticket holder but you go to say 8 of your team's home league games for example, that's £176, as much as the more expensive 5 match package for the national team, which is in far greater demand. Many supporters of club teams will go to a greater amount of games than 8 per season and not think twice about it. The SFA gave everyone plenty of notice some weeks ago, the tickets are released on or around this month's pay day, even if £150/175 is a struggle in one go, you have credit cards to pay off next month, you have a couple less random nights getting pished in the next few weeks, whatever it is, if people want to secure tickets for all these games it's not an insurmountable task without trying to organise people's finances for them and assuming people who would like to commit to buying Scotland tickets have their priorities in order and are financially solvent enough that they can think about going to football because they generally have their house in order. If not, then fundamentally their priorities need to change. On the flip side, there are currently about 12,000 more seats in Hampden than there are members, meaning there will be a general sale for tickets in any case, you have the chance to buy tickets you really want and/or can afford on your account and still get points. The question re: harvesting for home games is what kind of controls this app has going for it. No one seems to know what the script with it is exactly yet. Maybe that will give the SSC a chance to get some kind of control that people are asking for on this. It seems to be the way it is going. But let's see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) To add to that - I don't think giving some "elite" folk less points per game after a certain points total is any kind of feasible term and condition that they could apply for a loyalty based system - it would make it the opposite of a loyalty system! We're talking about a points system for folk to buy football tickets, not about raising taxes for the generationally wealthy to create a more just society ffs Edited February 27 by N4Footsoldier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 44 minutes ago, N4Footsoldier said: even if £150/175 is a struggle in one go, you have credit cards to pay off next month, you have a couple less random nights getting pished in the next few weeks, whatever it is, if people want to secure tickets for all these games it's not an insurmountable task without trying to organise people's finances for them and assuming people who would like to commit to buying Scotland tickets have their priorities in order and are financially solvent enough that they can think about going to football because they generally have their house in order. If not, then fundamentally their priorities need to change. Calm doon Lee Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersub Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I think the points system works as it was intended however, I would prefer that no games drop off as opposed to only including the last 10 homes/last 10 aways. I'd prefer any points to tally up. I've 11 points from home games (didn't go to the Poland home match) but went to many more prior to that. Also think that the SSC service has went downhill for the past while and should be more engagement opportunities. Its been on a decline since ticket prices were compared to attending a David Guetta gig in the days of Stewart Regan. We should also receive a breakdown of costs possibly annually to see where our membership fees are going. I feel like there is not many advantages being an SSC member and there should also have been some sort of discount when purchasing the 5 match package up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p gala ta Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I think you are inventing a problem here .Generally everyone on our bus who buys a ticket goes to the game . Didn’t have enough to fill a bus for Northern Ireland so nobody bought season tickets .A lot of hassle ,but buying individual tickets for the other 4 games next week . Some people must move in different circles but none of our lot are harvesters . The point for home games was one of the most sensible changes by the SFA ,why shouldn’t people putting money into Scottish football get a small reward . I go to away games as well but perhaps it should just be a point for going to away games because Scottish football gets no financial benefit out of my away ticket purchase . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 What would be the point in a loyalty system if the most loyal start to get disadvantaged by being awarded fewer points than some people who barely bother their arse going to games? The fact is that the people with the most disposable income, free time and the desire to go to away games will be able to go to as many as they like when others will not be able to do so. That is just the way life works I’m afraid. Luckily it’s not actually that difficult to get tickets for most away games unless you have zero points and if that’s the case why are you wanting to go to an away game if you haven’t been to any games in a couple of years? If you have enough money and time it’s pretty easy to build up your points total. If you don’t have enough money to do that then going abroad to watch Scotland play regularly probably isn’t that high on your list of priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 28 minutes ago, supersub said: I think the points system works as it was intended however, I would prefer that no games drop off as opposed to only including the last 10 homes/last 10 aways. I'd prefer any points to tally up. I've 11 points from home games (didn't go to the Poland home match) but went to many more prior to that. Also think that the SSC service has went downhill for the past while and should be more engagement opportunities. Its been on a decline since ticket prices were compared to attending a David Guetta gig in the days of Stewart Regan. We should also receive a breakdown of costs possibly annually to see where our membership fees are going. I feel like there is not many advantages being an SSC member and there should also have been some sort of discount when purchasing the 5 match package up front. There has to be something which awards recent loyalty I think so moving away from points dropping off is unlikely to happen. You’d get guys who haven’t been to games for ages swooping in and hoovering up finals tickets (assuming we continue to qualify now and again) when they haven’t been to any qualifiers, potentially for several years. The way it works at the moment is probably the fairest way to do it. It won’t suit everyone but no matter how something like this is run you can’t please everyone. Edited February 27 by Texas Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersub Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 28 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: You’d get guys who haven’t been to games for ages swooping in and hoovering up finals tickets (assuming we continue to qualify now and again) when they haven’t been to any qualifiers, potentially for several years. Fair point, hadn't thought about that example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 hours ago, stocky said: Is stopping points for home games a good idea. We didn't used to get them. Why would that be a good idea? The SSC isn’t just a travel club anymore. I think members should be rewarded for going to home games as well as away games. Away games are worth double the points and rightly so but dragging your arse along to Hampden (often from the highlands, England or even further) on a wet Tuesday night in November has to be worth something surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Join the supporters club to guarentee a ticket, as long as you can afford it 6 months in adavance. It really shouldnt be the case that the public sale is so close to the members one. Of course if the SFA don't strike while the irons hot they wont sell out the later games nearer the time if things go pear shaped. Had a look at the site to see what it was like and applied for two season tickets for me and my 16 year old. The best available tickets option put me in the north stand and her in the west. Seriously? Best way to sort out any points harvesting would be to make all games cash at turnstyles and photo id must be shown. As an aside I am pretty sure the original poster is on the wind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Join the supporters club to guarentee a ticket, as long as you can afford it 6 months in adavance. It really shouldnt be the case that the public sale is so close to the members one. Of course if the SFA don't strike while the irons hot they wont sell out the later games nearer the time if things go pear shaped. Had a look at the site to see what it was like and applied for two season tickets for me and my 16 year old. The best available tickets option put me in the north stand and her in the west. Seriously? Best way to sort out any points harvesting would be to make all games cash at turnstyles and photo id must be shown. As an aside I am pretty sure the original poster is on the wind up. This must be the biggest wind up of all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: This must be the biggest wind up of all? Would be fun though, wouldn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRoy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Members should not be penalised. I had a back and forth with Anne Marie Bannon when they started these packages, and they didn't consider the impact on families. Even the 1 off option to buy isn't a valid solution. If fans want to buy 5 now to guarantee a spot, then great - no issues. The remaining tickets should go on sale a few weeks in advance of each game to members. The SFA isn't fit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 9 hours ago, stocky said: Is stopping points for home games a good idea. We didn't used to get them. Well that wouldn't work either as, if the argument is people cannot afford to go to every home game then they certainly won't be able to afford away games and all the extra costs that go with them. Edited February 28 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Perhaps offer more rewards on less lucrative home games such as lowest ranked teams in groups which usually draws the lowest crowds. The diehards will be rewarded in that case and glory hunters (if we actually have them) will need to attend the crappy matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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