Indyref 2 (2)

[aaid]

22 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-nine-month-emergency/

At this point you really just have to laugh.

The Lord Advocate’s reference to the Supreme Court was filed on 28 June 22. The court delivered its judgement unexpectedly early on 23 November, but that still gave the SNP five months to plan for the various possible outcomes and be ready to spring into action. But perhaps Nicola Sturgeon misunderstood. She’s just announced that the party won’t even talk about it until another four months after that – in other words, no action until spring.

Is there any point in us even observing how pathetic that is? Should we waste our breath noting what a contemptuous pantomime is being performed here by the Widow Twankies running the party? Can we be bothered mocking the idea that this is some sort of “emergency” response? For Heaven’s sake, even NHS Scotland ambulances arrive quicker than that.

SNP members, of course, have shown time and time again that they’re happy to be fed even the oldest, rottenest carrots by the First Minister, so we won’t hold our breath waiting for them to muster a scrap of anger over this painfully blatant insult to their intelligence, loyalty and commitment. After all, it’s not like they were ever going to be given any meaningful influence over the eventual decision anyway.

(Sturgeon has already made absolutely clear that a UK general election in 2024 is the only option she’s willing to consider, and there is only one authority in her new SNP.)

But good grief, readers. Good grief.

More comebacks than Frank Sinatra. 

[Ally Bongo]

8 minutes ago, aaid said:

More comebacks than Frank Sinatra. 

Sadly however he is right on this

[Ally Bongo]

Jeremy Clarkson writing in The Scum

 

[ger intae them]

Sad that we are now tearing ourselves apart.

just another nail in the coffin, people have to accept a whole lot that they think is unacceptable. Leap of faith people…….. go together and the Nicola has nowhere to run.

it’s stick or twist, very difficult at 50.000001 %………. relatively easy at 55%.

 

[Orraloon]

2 minutes ago, ger intae them said:

Sad that we are now tearing ourselves apart.

just another nail in the coffin, people have to accept a whole lot that they think is unacceptable. Leap of faith people…….. go together and the Nicola has nowhere to run.

it’s stick or twist, very difficult at 50.000001 %………. relatively easy at 55%.

 

Easier if it's 60%.

[PapofGlencoe]

Is the march thing serious?

I'm a supporter of Sturgeon but deary me.  Why are we waiting three months into the new year to begin a "discussion"?  All of this should have been more or less rubber stamped by now given the probable position.   should be talking about graphic design of the campaign, soft approaches to beginning a grassroots momentum.. not kicking into long grass for three months.   Going back to 2014 it took a year to get disparate groups engaging..  really poor.

I fear we're a rudderless bin fire if this is the case.  Seems the SNP have lost the ability to lead.

If this is what is come, I'm not sure those deigned with holding the baton are covering themselves in glory here.

We seen to be going for an SNP victory rather than a Scotland victory.  A poor choice.

[mcguffin]

17 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said:

 

We seen to be going for an SNP victory rather than a Scotland victory. 

Yes, it struck me as odd that the planned emergency meeting will be an SNP meeting. Given that the only options left are some form of de Facto election (either the Westminster or Holyrood elections), and thus will involve cooperation with other parties and support from the wider Yes movement, then I was hoping the SNP would have invited other Yes voices. As far as I can see, even their partners-in-government, The Greens don't appear to be invited. (Correct me if I'm wrong?)

So, as PapofGlencoe implies, is this just a SNP strategy meeting/PR event? (I hope not).

As for the long delay (March 19). Maybe all suitable conference halls in Scotland were all booked up until then?  Or something?
 

[Tartan_Tonna]

I take no pleasure in saying this. I have forecast that there won't be a referendum. That Alex Salmond was being stitched up and it was a conspiracy. 

 

The SNP are full of good people that are like the socialists who kept voting new Labour in the hope it would being them socialism. It is never going to happen they were being cheated. 

 

Unfortunately you'll never see Independence. You'll be six feet under. Thanks to Sturgeon frittering away all the goodwill. She's destroyed it. I feel hurt and deciet. 

 

Sturgeon's a traitor. A Tartan Tory. Bring her down. She's cancelled Independence it's time to cancel sturgeon. I honestly truely despise her a person because she cheated me. She has lied to us all. She has the ability to lie with a straight face. She's a fake. The biggest fake I've ever known. There's never been a more decietful politician in the history of British politics than Nicola Sturgeon. When you know you know. Rinse her. Take her to the cleaners. Bring her down. She's got to go.

 

Have a nice day now. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tartan_Tonna

[Tartan_Tonna]

If we bring Sturgeon down and force her to tender a resignation. Then Holyrood will be a plebiscitary referendum. We won't have to wait for her. One woman holding Scotland to randsom. She/her. No Independence until 2024 she says. She's cancelled the 20 million. She's deleted Scotland as a nation. 

 

The SNP do not want Independence. They are standing in the way of Independence. No campaigning, no civil service, nothing has been done. You'd have to be stupid not to recognise it. 

Do we need a megaphone to shout it in their cloth eared SNPs. 

 

Let us have our Independence. Let us be free. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tartan_Tonna

[Tartan_Tonna]

As for Peter Murrell. What's happened to the missing 600k?

He's trousered it. Stealing from their core voter base. I call that theft by clandestine possession. 

Nicola had to hide in the elavator. Ground floor ground floor. 

Kieth brown says no Holyrood referendum because of the cost of living crisis we're not allowed to escape. What a tosser he is. What gives him the right to rule that out? 

The SNP are all over the place. Having the pretend debate in Westminster. Ignoring Kenny makasakill who told them to do something and stand up for Scots. Then, the very next day. John Swinney cancels Independence. He cancels the 20 million. To give £4 per head to those in fuel poverty. Won't go far. Independence would go further. 

Steven Flynn. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Doesn't want 2024 to be fought on a single issue. Nothing more than a soup taker. Renouncing his party core values.

As for their special conference. Its not a special conference its 5 months of sabotage, its a regular party conference as all party conferences are in March. SNP taking the absolute mick out of everyone.

If you can't see you've been cheated by Sturgeon then you can sleep under a union flag until you take your last breath buried under British soil. 6 feet under and never realising your life cause. Tik tok. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tartan_Tonna

[Caledonian Craig]

Another poll released showing a swing to Yes:-

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fifth-poll-puts-yes-vote-ahead-since-supreme-court-ruling-c8j30fg20

 

[Tartan_Tonna]

It's all well and good the polls are showing yes. The SNP are terrified they might actually win. Which is why they deleted Scotland as a nation in the Supreme Court and cancelled the £20 million. Ruled out a Holyrood plebiscite and removed Blackford as Flynn doesn't want 2024 to be fought as a plebiscitary neverendum.

The £20 million could have been spent on an Independence convention and campaign. 

Sturgeon says no. She's says we're to remain as English slaves. Sturgeon. Now is not the time. 

God I long for the day she goes she has been rot. 

[exile]

I don't understand why the 'emergency' meetng is so far into the future, especially as they had months to anticipate the verdict that triggered it. And it's not clear if it would involve the wider Yes movement (and if not, why not).

But not sure what good it does to talk of 'traitors' and 'conspiracies' and 'English slaves'. What is the positive alternative?

Without a positive alternative, the attacks on the SNP/FM seem to serve only to depress the vote for one independence party without giving a positive reason to vote for any other, or take any other route.

Who benefits?

Edited December 18, 2022 by exile

[aaid]

8 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said:

Is the march thing serious?

I'm a supporter of Sturgeon but deary me.  Why are we waiting three months into the new year to begin a "discussion"?  All of this should have been more or less rubber stamped by now given the probable position.   should be talking about graphic design of the campaign, soft approaches to beginning a grassroots momentum.. not kicking into long grass for three months.   Going back to 2014 it took a year to get disparate groups engaging..  really poor.

I fear we're a rudderless bin fire if this is the case.  Seems the SNP have lost the ability to lead.

If this is what is come, I'm not sure those deigned with holding the baton are covering themselves in glory here.

We seen to be going for an SNP victory rather than a Scotland victory.  A poor choice.

What’s stopping you then, you waiting for permission?

7 hours ago, mcguffin said:

Yes, it struck me as odd that the planned emergency meeting will be an SNP meeting. Given that the only options left are some form of de Facto election (either the Westminster or Holyrood elections), and thus will involve cooperation with other parties and support from the wider Yes movement, then I was hoping the SNP would have invited other Yes voices. As far as I can see, even their partners-in-government, The Greens don't appear to be invited. (Correct me if I'm wrong?)

So, as PapofGlencoe implies, is this just a SNP strategy meeting/PR event? (I hope not).

As for the long delay (March 19). Maybe all suitable conference halls in Scotland were all booked up until then?  Or something?
 

And you.

[TDYER63]

17 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Jeremy Clarkson writing in The Scum

 

Misogyny at its finest from an irrelevant boy racer. 

[Caledonian Craig]

11 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

Misogyny at its finest from an irrelevant boy racer. 

A sad old has been who got far too big for his britches when supported by the brain-dead when sacked by the BBC.

[mcguffin]

2 hours ago, aaid said:

And you.

eh?

[mcguffin]

This seems a well thought-through article by James Kelly. Worth a read (even if you're not a fan of someone asking questions):
https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2022/12/red-lines-for-snps-special-conference.html

Edited December 18, 2022 by mcguffin

[Tartan_Tonna]

Well said by James Kelly in that article. All the points I wanted to make. 

 

The Referendum should be Holyrood. The modern day convention of the estates should take place to build the Scottish state. The peoples liberation movement should be started. We should contact the UN Decolonisation Committee and speak to the world about our struggle for freedom. We exhaust the legal and political avenues - As Salmond says I'm quoting him. He always provides the answers. 

Unfortunately we need to remove Nicola Sturgeon. She says we can't collapse Holyrood and have a plebiscitary referendum because the Tories crashed the economy. That's her philosophy. 

Sturgeon serves no purpose as leader of the Irish Independence Party. We must force her out. The march conference a moment of truth says kelly. 

My moment of truth arrived years ago. The SNP are sabateurs thieves con men and crooks. That's why I joined the Alba Party to vote for the Independence super majority to hold the referendum. Nicola didn't want it she said it was gaming the system. She can't stand Alex Salmond because she's not Alex Salmond. She's a fraud. 

Nicola's words "Now is not the time" her words to Theresa may

I'll get the evidence. She said now is not the time. Nicola's had her day. She's the problem.  

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tartan_Tonna

[Tartan_Tonna]

Nicola - My letter to Theresa May

https://www.snp.org/nicola-sturgeon-s-section-30-letter-to-theresa-may/

QUOTE: "We both agree, that Now Is Not the Time" 

The letter came before off the books Legxit. Sinister? 

Nicola planted the words "now is not the time" in May's ear.  Textbook Nicola. Classic imposter syndrome. 

Nicola said also "she has time on her side."

While posing for a selfie with vogue magazine. She's a narcissist. 

Sturgeon. Our vogue magazine cover girl. The great pretender. The sabateur of Independence. The deleter of Scotland as a nation. 

The evidence is all there. Nicola Sturgeon holding Scotland to randsom. The destroyer of the SNP. The biggest con artist the country has ever known. In the history of Scottish politics. 

Sturgeon has cheated us all. 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tartan_Tonna

[Tartan_Tonna]

https://www.snp.org/nicola-sturgeon-s-section-30-letter-to-theresa-may/

Nicola Sturgeon quote "now is not the time". 

Sturgeon smooches up to the establishment. She's one of them. She sings god save the Queen. She feels British. Textbook Nicola Sturgeon. The iron throwing lady - SNP bully - Anger management issues. Inferiority complex. Colonial mindset syndrome. imposter syndrome. Politically brainless syndrome. The delete of Scotland as nation.

Her handlers are the British State. She sold off ScotWind. She's made us second class citizens. Job done. The tell tale bully of the playground. 

Now is not the time. Her words not May's. Time the SNP removed her.

I'll post again in a few months when the SNP conference under Steven flynn concludes it won't be holding a plebiscite. Then I'll say Alex Salmond was right all along. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tartan_Tonna

[vanderark14]

Can someone please ban this piece of shit. Opinions are welcome but outright lies and smear should not be

 

9 hours ago, Tartan_Tonna said:

https://www.snp.org/nicola-sturgeon-s-section-30-letter-to-theresa-may/

 

Nicola Sturgeon quote "now is not the time". 

 

Sturgeon smooches up to the establishment. She's one of them. She sings god save the Queen. She feels British. Textbook Nicola Sturgeon. The iron throwing lady - SNP bully - Anger management issues. Inferiority complex. Colonial mindset syndrome. imposter syndrome. Politically brainless syndrome. The delete of Scotland as nation.

 

Her handlers are the British State. She sold off ScotWind. She's made us second class citizens. Job done. The tell tale bully of the playground. 

 

Now is not the time. Her words not May's. Time the SNP removed her.

 

I'll post again in a few months when the SNP conference under Steven flynn concludes it won't be holding a plebiscite. Then I'll say Alex Salmond was right all along. 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bzzzz]

On 12/17/2022 at 8:13 PM, Ally Bongo said:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-nine-month-emergency/

 

But good grief, readers. Good grief.

Anyone that uses the exclamation "good grief" should be completely ignored, what the fk is he? Penfold from Danger Mouse ffs!? gtf man. 

[Bzzzz]

On 12/17/2022 at 8:13 PM, Ally Bongo said:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-nine-month-emergency/

 

But good grief, readers. Good grief.

Anyone that uses the exclamation "good grief" should be completely ignored, what the fk is he? Penfold from Danger Mouse ffs!? gtf man. 

[Bzzzz]

On 12/17/2022 at 8:13 PM, Ally Bongo said:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-nine-month-emergency/

 

But good grief, readers. Good grief.

Anyone that uses the exclamation "good grief" should be completely ignored, what the fk is he? Penfold from Danger Mouse ffs!? gtf man.