hampden_loon2878 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 hours ago, daviebee said: You seriously believe that this won't be used as an extra weapon to beat the Yes side over the head with? The way it'll be presented, people will give a lot more than zero f*cks. The amount of denial or lack of foresight in independence supporters over this subject or other dodgey actions of the current SNP is worrying although not surprising. You have aaid the oracle think she knows everything and calls anyone who disagrees a bigot. Then you have the cheerleaders who tell her she is right, the general public are awakening to this, what a shit show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: The amount of denial or lack of foresight in independence supporters over this subject or other dodgey actions of the current SNP is worrying although not surprising. You have aaid the oracle think she knows everything and calls anyone who disagrees a bigot. Then you have the cheerleaders who tell her she is right, the general public are awakening to this, what a shit show Why do you consistently refer to me as “she” do you think it’s funny or that somehow it winds me up? It doesn’t, I just think it’s very odd behaviour and probably says more about you than it does me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, aaid said: Why do you consistently refer to me as “she” do you think it’s funny or that somehow it winds me up? It doesn’t, I just think it’s very odd behaviour and probably says more about you than it does me. I just picture you as Anne blackford, don’t know why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Not sure it will harm independence that much, the Tories aren’t that far behind or far apart from what the snp think on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: I just picture you as Anne blackford, don’t know why You should get help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Not sure it will harm independence that much, the Tories aren’t that far behind or far apart from what the snp think on this It’s the broader impression that it makes, not the intricate details of the debate, from an independence point of view, it should never have been touched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: It’s the broader impression that it makes, not the intricate details of the debate, from an independence point of view, it should never have been touched As a strong independence supporter who has always voted SNP I am torn on this. Personally I disagree with a fair bit of SNP policy however they are a means to an end. However they have a job to do. Part of that job is governing the country. Would people want them to not make any laws or act in anyway that might be unpopular to the wider cause. If so then in the absence of another referendum, what would be the point of voting them into government. Anytime im speaking to NO friends I try and steer the debate away from the individual issue and more towards the benefit of having a government in Scotland who can make such decisions. In an indpendent Scotland the party voted in could ammend or replace any bill they see fit. Currently we are at least partly handcuffed by London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 hours ago, daviebee said: You seriously believe that this won't be used as an extra weapon to beat the Yes side over the head with? The way it'll be presented, people will give a lot more than zero f*cks. You may or may not be right. I just find it bizarre that people would decide the independence of their country on such a minor thing. Looking on from Ireland (where this stuff has been in place for years and nobody cares or talks about it because it doesn't affect them), it just seems laughable. Someone mentioned Jim Spence earlier... He seems to be losing his mind over this issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dave78 said: You may or may not be right. I just find it bizarre that people would decide the independence of their country on such a minor thing. Looking on from Ireland (where this stuff has been in place for years and nobody cares or talks about it because it doesn't affect them), it just seems laughable. Someone mentioned Jim Spence earlier... He seems to be losing his mind over this issue The culture wars always have folk losing their mind. It's why I refuse to even think about them. You end up ranting about back street abortionists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: It’s the broader impression that it makes, not the intricate details of the debate, from an independence point of view, it should never have been touched I think it’s been handled badly, not just by the snp but in a much wider context but if they as a party believe that they do, implementing legislation is what independent countries do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: I think it’s been handled badly, not just by the snp but in a much wider context but if they as a party believe that they do, implementing legislation is what independent countries do. I think folk on here are misreading my opinion on the issue, tbh personally I couldn’t give a shit regarding it, what I do give a shit about is how it has been handled and the green influence on it, Will this policy further the case for independence? No will it hell. So why have the snp hierarchy pushed it so so hard? A long term associate who has worked with various msp’s over the last twenty five years messaged yesterday to say he is considering giving up his membership. A very nice timid man he is. If he is feeling like that, god knows how the general membership feels,, he said he has had hundreds of letters regarding the subject(he holds an official role) from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave78 said: You may or may not be right. I just find it bizarre that people would decide the independence of their country on such a minor thing. Looking on from Ireland (where this stuff has been in place for years and nobody cares or talks about it because it doesn't affect them), it just seems laughable. Someone mentioned Jim Spence earlier... He seems to be losing his mind over this issue Jim Spence blocked me umpteen years ago for a totally vanilla political point He lost it a while ago I must have been right suspecting he was anti Independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 the uk government looking at blocking royal ascent for this ludicrous bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 So whats the legal position on this?…. A preop transexual uses a communal women’s changing room exposing themselves to all and sundry. Is this behaviour legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Malcolm said: So whats the legal position on this?…. A preop transexual uses a communal women’s changing room exposing themselves to all and sundry. Is this behaviour legal? Whatever the legal position is, it will be unchanged by the legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, aaid said: Whatever the legal position is, it will be unchanged by the legislation. so I believe. But i still would like to know what the legal position is. Surely this is indecent exposure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 This will be forgotten about in a few weeks os my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: This will be forgotten about in a few weeks os my guess Might take a little bit longer than that but that would be my view as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: This will be forgotten about in a few weeks os my guess About the same as a cis-woman flashing her minge about I’d imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Just now, aaid said: About the same as a cis-woman flashing her minge about I’d imagine. Indecent expose and off to the jail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Ach well, on the upside, when there are enormous queues at hampden for a pee, can just nip in to the ladies, no questions asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Someone want to give me the short version of what has actually happened, anyone but malcolm who believes trans women are going to be flashing their cocks at every kid in the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Ach well, on the upside, when there are enormous queues at hampden for a pee, can just nip in to the ladies, no questions asked. I thought there was a 3 month period before you could do anything like that. Folk are making stuff in their head and then getting angry it. I'm getting extreme ambivalence about laughing at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 As if nobody on here has ever used a Ladies toilet when they were desperate FFS Granted it was when the toilets for men and women only took one at a time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_Tonna Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I listened to the debate. It certainly won't ever be forgotten about. It is going to be karma on steroids when the Tories strike this bill down as out with Holyrood consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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