todd Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 21 hours ago, romanticscot said: Let me just throw this out there - next Nations league we could be in League A with England, Wales and Rep of Ireland all in B and Northern Ireland in League C. I was just saying this to my boy, we could, this time next week, as far as the nations league is concerned, be the highest ranked team in the British Isles 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 What a chance we now have of bypassing that shower. 5 games without a win (they have Germany at Wembley next) yet we will get the usual guff in 2 months time about their path to the final. Tell you what, people might think Hungary are a weak pot 1 team. Humping England at Wembley and following it up in Germany says otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: 5 games without a win (they have Germany at Wembley next) yet we will get the usual guff in 2 months time about their path to the final. Might be wrong but I think their “path to the final” is a cunt this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Does relegation not mean England will now be in Pot 3 gor Euros draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Just now, Caledonian Craig said: Does relegation not mean England will now be in Pot 3 gor Euros draw? No because they will finish 16th in the Nations league at worst. They’ll be pot 2. Hopefully we can join them in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Tonight was a decent night for Scotland. The results in the B group mean that it’s looking more likely we would be best 2nd place team if we weren’t to beat Ukraine next week, but would most likely need to beat Ireland tomorrow night for this to be the case. need to keep an eye out for Serbia’s result tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, King Of Paisley said: Tell you what, people might think Hungary are a weak pot 1 team. Humping England at Wembley and following it up in Germany says otherwise It was actually at Molineux but no less impressive. They have a far better team than their racist fans deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Toepoke said: It was actually at Molineux but no less impressive. They have a far better team than their racist fans deserve. Stand corrected. Forgot it was full of weans at that West Midlands binfire. But still mullered them The boos aimed at Southgate is telling. Sticking with an utter clown like Maguire who Ten Hag has seen sense in binning will be the death of him. Maguire makes Ryan Porteous look like Baresi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mc Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I'm pretty sure Wales got into this year's WC play offs because they were in League A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, C Mc said: I'm pretty sure Wales got into this year's WC play offs because they were in League A Wales were 2nd in their group. Czech Rep and Austria got in via the Nations League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan cake Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 15 hours ago, King Of Paisley said: Maguire makes Ryan Porteous look like Baresi Probably best to actually watch Porteous play rather than just base your opinion on Sportscene Gerrard and Goodwin. Luckily Stevie Clarke knows what he’s doing, 22 caps at under 19,20 and 21 level suggests he can play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 5:24 PM, Texas Pete said: They’ll still likely get a playoff even if they are relegated. Really? I thought it was just if teams in their nations group don't finish top 2 in the actual qualifiers. No certainty Hungary would finish top 2, they were 3rd in last euros group with Wales pipping them on final day. Real farce if you get relegated from nations league group and still can get in through play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Bizarrely I think Sweden v Slovenia might be an important game for us. if we lose to Ukraine (which I don’t think we will) this game becomes big because if Sweden lose it, 6 points get taken away from Serbia or Norway for best 2nd place spot. If Sweden win it, only 4 points would be taken off Serbia or Norway’s tally meaning we’d most likely lose that best 2nd place spot. Happy to be corrected if I’ve missed a result somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Ak91 said: Bizarrely I think Sweden v Slovenia might be an important game for us. if we lose to Ukraine (which I don’t think we will) this game becomes big because if Sweden lose it, 6 points get taken away from Serbia or Norway for best 2nd place spot. If Sweden win it, only 4 points would be taken off Serbia or Norway’s tally meaning we’d most likely lose that best 2nd place spot. Happy to be corrected if I’ve missed a result somewhere. Yeh, you're right. Though there are other important matches for us. Best case for us if we lose is Ireland also lose. If we both lose we're virtually guaranteed to get Pot 2 unless we lose by at least 6 to Ukraine. If Ireland win/draw then we need 4 other sets of results to all go our way to still make Pot 2: B2 - Iceland not to win Iceland are away to Albania. B3 - Montenegro to finish second and Romania to finish bottom. Montenegro are at home to Finland, Romania are at home to Bosnia. Romania must lose and Finland cannot win. B4 - Sweden to finish bottom/not win. Sweden are away to Slovenia. Sweden cannot win TL;DR - Iceland, Sweden and Finland all must not win, and Romania must lose. If those all happen we can get leathered by a cricket score from Ukraine and still get Pot 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glesgadan Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 If we win our group does that mean we are drawn against all the other group B winners for the play off if needed? looks like Israel and Bosnia-Herzegovina have already won their groups with the other group to be either Norway or Serbia. It’s all very complicated to work out. Or is that worse case scenario only if all those teams fail to qualify automatically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 A lot depends on who qualifies as of right for the Euros as to who needs to use their play-off card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, glesgadan said: If we win our group does that mean we are drawn against all the other group B winners for the play off if needed? looks like Israel and Bosnia-Herzegovina have already won their groups with the other group to be either Norway or Serbia. It’s all very complicated to work out. Or is that worse case scenario only if all those teams fail to qualify automatically? If we win our group, our play off route would be against other League B teams or lower. Who the play offs are against will depend on who qualifies directly through the EURO qualifiers. If none of Israel, BH and the winners of Norway/Serbia group qualify directly, then those three teams would be our play off opponents. All four League B group winners will be in pot 2 for the EURO draw so you would think there is a decent chance that one or more of them will qualify directly. Maybe even us? 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 19 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: Really? I thought it was just if teams in their nations group don't finish top 2 in the actual qualifiers. No certainty Hungary would finish top 2, they were 3rd in last euros group with Wales pipping them on final day. Real farce if you get relegated from nations league group and still can get in through play offs. I don’t really understand your first point but in terms of relegated teams reaching the playoffs It happened in the last euros. Iceland, Slovakia and the 2 Irelands reached the playoffs via the Nations League and I’m pretty sure they were all relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 France heading for pot 2 aswell here. It would improve our chances of qualification tenfold if we end up in this pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton_Peck Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, TartanSpice said: Yeh, you're right. Though there are other important matches for us. Best case for us if we lose is Ireland also lose. If we both lose we're virtually guaranteed to get Pot 2 unless we lose by at least 6 to Ukraine. If Ireland win/draw then we need 4 other sets of results to all go our way to still make Pot 2: B2 - Iceland not to win Iceland are away to Albania. B3 - Montenegro to finish second and Romania to finish bottom. Montenegro are at home to Finland, Romania are at home to Bosnia. Romania must lose and Finland cannot win. B4 - Sweden to finish bottom/not win. Sweden are away to Slovenia. Sweden cannot win TL;DR - Iceland, Sweden and Finland all must not win, and Romania must lose. If those all happen we can get leathered by a cricket score from Ukraine and still get Pot 2. In B3 if both games are draws then that will also do us. Still relying on Bosnia going away to Romania and not losing who have nothing to play for as they guaranteed to win group. In B4 Sweden are at home to Slovenia with both teams trying to not get relegated. We need Slovenia to take at least a point. Think the best chance we have is Armenia winning in Ireland. Although that is a long shot. I reckon its a point on tuesday or bust. Although still reckon we would get at least a playoff place as I would back Ukraine to qualify automatically if they were seeded 2nd. That would probably be against Bosnia, Israel and 1 other team from group B4. Edited September 25, 2022 by Templeton_Peck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Templeton_Peck said: In B3 if both games are draws then that will also do us. Still relying on Bosnia going away to Romania and not losing who have nothing to play for as they guaranteed to win group. In B4 Sweden are at home to Slovenia with both teams trying to not get relegated. We need Slovenia to take at least a point. Think the best chance we have is Armenia winning in Ireland. Although that is a long shot. I reckon its a point on tuesday or bust. Although still reckon we would get at least a playoff place as I would back Ukraine to qualify automatically if they were seeded 2nd. That would probably be against Bosnia, Israel and 1 other team from group B4. I agree, think we must do it ourselves as can’t see Armenia winning or Sweden not winning. if we end up in pot 2 we could get a group of… poland scotland armenia faroes gibraltar Sam marino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, Ak91 said: I agree, think we must do it ourselves as can’t see Armenia winning or Sweden not winning. if we end up in pot 2 we could get a group of… poland scotland armenia faroes gibraltar Sam marino I would sleep like a Lambie doped up on CBD if that was our group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Templeton_Peck said: Although still reckon we would get at least a playoff place as I would back Ukraine to qualify automatically if they were seeded 2nd. That would probably be against Bosnia, Israel and 1 other team from group B4. Is that bit correct? I've got myself confused with all the possible permutations. If we lose on Tuesday and one of TartanSpices games goes against us then I think we would, at best, be the 6th ranked team in League B. So If Ukraine were to qualify directly the 5th ranked team would take their place in the play offs. I think we would need at least two of the League B group winner sto qualify directly. Which is quite possible, I suppose, considering they will all start from a pot two position. It's all getting very complicated. I am thinking that we must get that point on Tuesday, otherwise our only route to EURO 24 will be by coming 2nd in our group from a pot 3 starting position. I might have got this all wrong though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Is that bit correct? I've got myself confused with all the possible permutations. If we lose on Tuesday and one of TartanSpices games goes against us then I think we would, at best, be the 6th ranked team in League B. So If Ukraine were to qualify directly the 5th ranked team would take their place in the play offs. I think we would need at least two of the League B group winner sto qualify directly. Which is quite possible, I suppose, considering they will all start from a pot two position. It's all getting very complicated. I am thinking that we must get that point on Tuesday, otherwise our only route to EURO 24 will be by coming 2nd in our group from a pot 3 starting position. I might have got this all wrong though? Mind you, I've just remembered that we still have the League A playoff route, assuming most (maybe all) the League A teams qualify directly. That could be against Estonia and two League B teams. Hard to believe that Estonia could be in the play offs having only played Malta and San Marino. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It is quite confusing because the Euro qualifying is still to take place and until it does, we don't know who is going to need a play off. For ease of thinking lets assume the following qualify through the actual qualification groups: Germany (Host Nation) Other 15 A Group Participants (In pot 1 and 2) 5 Group B Participants (Group Winners and Best Runner Up (all in pot 2). This means the 12 play off positions would be taken by the following: 3 No 2nd placed finishers from Nations League B Groups 4 No 3rd placed finishers from Nations League B Groups 1 No Best 4th Placed finisher 4 No Winners of Nations League C Groups. This is my understanding of how it would work. Obviously not everyone in pot 1 and 2 will qualify through the qualification groups but who ever doesn't would take a play off spot (there wont be many who don't qualify through the groups). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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