Scottish players in action 21/22

[Hertsscot]

2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

There is no reason to risk squad equilibrium therefore for a double header which now holds no jeopardy. 

That's certainly another, equally valid, way of looking at it. Personally I doubt Livramento will be called up but would be quite happy if he was. As I say I don't think Ralston or Patterson will let us down. Thanks also for the reminders about Max Johnston and Josh Doig, though I suspect both of them will be with the u21s.

[Diamond Scot]

4 hours ago, Hertsscot said:

I think I may have reignited this little debate, apologies. My comment, given injury problems with our fullbacks, was that Livramento was a wild card. Ramsay is presumably injured, Patterson is 3rd choice RB at Everton, Ralston 2nd choice at Celtic, Ashby hasn't been a regular starter at Swansea. Livramento has come back from injury and is now beginning to feature more regularly for Newcastle. He is the best RB currently available for us, whether he chooses us, is up to him but we are forgiving, I never held it against Goram or McCall that they were in England u21 squads, I'm just grateful that they committed to us.

You are right though, three Anglos who have played for England and 'defecting' at the same time, booting out regulars, probably wouldn't be great for squad morale. I can't see that happening but given our injury problems to our regular fullbacks (and seeing that KT is injured quite a lot of the time) there is a case for asking Livramento the question. 

For the record I don't think Ralston is anywhere near as good as Livramento but I don't think either him or Patterson would let us down if they played in the upcoming matches. They've both been solid for us in the past.

Ralston is a bombscare and nowhere near international level. Aid rather play Hendry at right back if it comes to it.

[Caledonian Craig]

54 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said:

Ralston is a bombscare and nowhere near international level. Aid rather play Hendry at right back if it comes to it.

A bit harsh. He played in our patched up team that got a great 0-0 draw away to Ukraine. Played in that great 2-0 win V Denmark and has scored for us. Okay he played in 3-0 horror show v Republic of Ireland but so did first team regulars. Ralston will do fine for a double header with no jeopardy on the results.

[Caledonian Craig]

21 hours ago, adamntg said:

When’s the squad out, anyone know?

The squad is announced tomorrow at noon. Pretty sure that's the same as last double header too - eight days before the first fixture.

[ProudScot]

12 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Ralston is a bombscare and nowhere near international level. Aid rather play Hendry at right back if it comes to it.

Ralston is fine as a back up. He’s about third choice and it’s light years from when we had O’Donnell as our only option.

[mccaughey85]

13 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Ralston is a bombscare and nowhere near international level. Aid rather play Hendry at right back if it comes to it.

Do you expect our third choice right back to be cafu?

Hes decent enough plus it's likely Patterson will start the games anyways.

Also is hendry even an international level centre back. He's done well for us recently but his club career isn't exactly that of a good international player. Chucking him in at right back is an option but I doubt it's a better option than playing Ralston there.  

Also when has Ralston let Scotland down? Guys even scored a goal for us.

[Diamond Scot]

49 minutes ago, mccaughey85 said:

Do you expect our third choice right back to be cafu?

Hes decent enough plus it's likely Patterson will start the games anyways.

Also is hendry even an international level centre back. He's done well for us recently but his club career isn't exactly that of a good international player. Chucking him in at right back is an option but I doubt it's a better option than playing Ralston there.  

Also when has Ralston let Scotland down? Guys even scored a goal for us.

Our 3rd choice left back is either Tierney or Hickey so its not beyond the question.

Ralston was horrible against ROI. If he played for another Scots Prem side then I doubt he would even be getting talked about. He gives his all and his high energy is actually quite good when attacking against lesser sides but technically he isnt good and let people run off him all the time.

Id rather Ramsey got called up now that he is back at PNE and thats only because he has abit of potential rather. 

Ralston is the type of player who would have been a fixture in the squad about 4/5 years ago but I believe we have moved beyond that now both in terms of ability but also style. We are a ball playing side now so the more technical players who are comfortable with the ball at feet the better. 

[mccaughey85]

1 hour ago, Diamond Scot said:

Our 3rd choice left back is either Tierney or Hickey so its not beyond the question.

Ralston was horrible against ROI. If he played for another Scots Prem side then I doubt he would even be getting talked about. He gives his all and his high energy is actually quite good when attacking against lesser sides but technically he isnt good and let people run off him all the time.

Id rather Ramsey got called up now that he is back at PNE and thats only because he has abit of potential rather. 

Ralston is the type of player who would have been a fixture in the squad about 4/5 years ago but I believe we have moved beyond that now both in terms of ability but also style. We are a ball playing side now so the more technical players who are comfortable with the ball at feet the better. 

Just because we are stacked at left back doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be that way in other positions. Everyone knows we have strength in depth at left back. Also hickey isn't counted as a left back in our squad and Tierney isn't third choice. He's second choice. 

Not sure there were many positive performers against Ireland. Most of the team were dire that day.

Ramsay isn't playing and should only be considered once he starts getting games. 

If Ralston was playing for hearts or Hibs and performing well he would  probably still be considered for our third choice right back spot. Not sure why you expect our third choice right back to be an epl player. We are not England or France.

[Caledonian Craig]

2 hours ago, Diamond Scot said:

Our 3rd choice left back is either Tierney or Hickey so its not beyond the question.

Ralston was horrible against ROI. If he played for another Scots Prem side then I doubt he would even be getting talked about. He gives his all and his high energy is actually quite good when attacking against lesser sides but technically he isnt good and let people run off him all the time.

Id rather Ramsey got called up now that he is back at PNE and thats only because he has abit of potential rather. 

Ralston is the type of player who would have been a fixture in the squad about 4/5 years ago but I believe we have moved beyond that now both in terms of ability but also style. We are a ball playing side now so the more technical players who are comfortable with the ball at feet the better. 

We had a strong side out against ROI who all under-performed does that mmake them bombscare too? Ralston played in defence in a makeshift side that got a vital and highly cteditable 0-0 draw in Ukraine. He also.played in the side that got another critical tesult beating Denmark 2-0. Also scored V Armenia in a 2-0 win so that is at least 50% of his Scotland matches he most definitely was NOT bombscare. To make matters clear I am not suggesting he is world class just saying he can do a job for us in the upcoming double header andvat present Ramsay is nowhere near ready match fitness-wise.

[Hertsscot]

Not exactly on the fringes of the squad but maybe one for the future, Lucas de Bolle on the subs bench for Newcastle tonight. I don't know if he's been on the bench recently or whether this is a first. Midfielder I believe but I don't know much, other than that.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Hertsscot

[GHfaeGTA]

23 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

There is no reason to risk squad equilibrium therefore for a double header which now holds no jeopardy. Options open to us now like Patterson and Taylor backed up by Ralston and perhaps Johnston or Josh Doig will be just fine for challenges such as Georgia away and Norway at home. Lets remember it is quite possible Norway will be without Haaland and Odegaard who are both injured at present.

Haaland injured? Starts tonight in Champions League 

[ceudmilefailte]

Seeing as he's had a few mentions in here and being a maybe Scottish player in action, Livermento played on  the right hand side of the Newcastle front three in the first half tonight agaist Dortmund. Back to right back now with Trippier moving to the left after Lewis hall wass subbed

[Diamond Scot]

5 hours ago, mccaughey85 said:

Just because we are stacked at left back doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be that way in other positions. Everyone knows we have strength in depth at left back. Also hickey isn't counted as a left back in our squad and Tierney isn't third choice. He's second choice. 

Not sure there were many positive performers against Ireland. Most of the team were dire that day.

Ramsay isn't playing and should only be considered once he starts getting games. 

If Ralston was playing for hearts or Hibs and performing well he would  probably still be considered for our third choice right back spot. Not sure why you expect our third choice right back to be an epl player. We are not England or France.

I never said that because we are stacked at LB it means we are guarenteed elsewhere however the cafu comment was aimed at suggesting that because we are Scotland that our 3rd choice player naturally isnt expected to be very good. Hickey is considered a left back hence why he plays there, including in our last competitive match. He is also considered a RB which is why he also plays there. I specifically used the word or when referencing Tierney or Hickey so im not sure your point here.

We have good depth is pretty much every position except GK, RB and up front now so its not a big ask to want better than Ralston. The next 2 games can be used to experiment / give experience for the future. Id rather that went to Patterson and Ramsay who both have the potential to be top players over Ralston who doesnt.

[Caledonian Craig]

1 hour ago, GHfaeGTA said:

Haaland injured? Starts tonight in Champions League 

Yes he was injured. Got subbed at half-time the other day with a twisted ankle. Still a fair chance City will ask he is not selected.

[Super_Scotlandfan]

1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said:

Yes he was injured. Got subbed at half-time the other day with a twisted ankle. Still a fair chance City will ask he is not selected.

Both him and Odegaard were named in the Norway squad today 

[thesaint]

15 minutes ago, Super_Scotlandfan said:

Both him and Odegaard were named in the Norway squad today 

Good.They were both in the team in Oslo against us and they lost.Same again against Spain and they lost and were pish.Bring it on.

[Caledonian Craig]

7 hours ago, Super_Scotlandfan said:

Both him and Odegaard were named in the Norway squad today 

Yes they were named in the squad but Haaland just back from.injury and Odegaard still waiting to see if he is fit for Arsenal's European fixture so its not set in stone both will play. But hey ho even if they do and improve on their performances against us in Oslo and Norway win it makes no difference - we still qualify.

[Caledonian Craig]

10 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said:

Seeing as he's had a few mentions in here and being a maybe Scottish player in action, Livermento played on  the right hand side of the Newcastle front three in the first half tonight agaist Dortmund. Back to right back now with Trippier moving to the left after Lewis hall wass subbed

A much overlooked fact - Livramento was in England's last U21 squad and played in side that thrashed Serbia. 

[BryanBlessed]

I'm not too optimistic about these November games to be honest. We could survive without one of Tierney/Robertson/Hickey but to have all three of them out means we'll be seriously depleted.  RWB/RB is what worries me the most. None of our options there are getting regular game time. To think that there was at one point a debate about who was better between Hickey and Patterson. 

 

Did we not once put Ryan Fraser in at RWB or is that my imagination?

[Caledonian Craig]

32 minutes ago, BryanBlessed said:

I'm not too optimistic about these November games to be honest. We could survive without one of Tierney/Robertson/Hickey but to have all three of them out means we'll be seriously depleted.  RWB/RB is what worries me the most. None of our options there are getting regular game time. To think that there was at one point a debate about who was better between Hickey and Patterson. 

 

Did we not once put Ryan Fraser in at RWB or is that my imagination?

Of course the players ruled out for us are big losses for us however likely replacements being Patterson and Taylor have proven they can do a job for us before against better opposition than we will face in Georgia and Norway. Our attacking players all look to be fully fit too which certainly helps so I am still hopeful of a win in Georgia and us going into the Norway match knowing a win could seal a number two seeding pot. But hey ho if it all goes tits up we will be pot three and will look forward to having Robertson, Tierney, Hickey and Gunn back fit for friendlies in the New Year.

[Caledonian Craig]

With the squad named at noon today another rumour swirling around is that Jack McKenzie (Aberdeen) could be called up after Clarke watching the Hibs V Aberdeen semi-final last weekend. Him getting sent off cannot have done him any favours.

[Tartan blood]

1 hour ago, BryanBlessed said:

I'm not too optimistic about these November games to be honest. We could survive without one of Tierney/Robertson/Hickey but to have all three of them out means we'll be seriously depleted.  RWB/RB is what worries me the most. None of our options there are getting regular game time. To think that there was at one point a debate about who was better between Hickey and Patterson. 

 

Did we not once put Ryan Fraser in at RWB or is that my imagination?

In our squad you could argue there are 5 names that are guaranteed starters: McTominay, McGinn, Hickey, Tierney and Robertson. So, losing 3 out of the 5 first names on the team sheet is a huge blow.

However, I'm a bit more optimistic than you are. Patterson is a top quality player who is still in the process of establishing himself. He's only 22 remember.

Taylor is a fine stop gap. But I'd rather play someone like Doig who might have more of a long term future in that position. 

[vanderark14]

36 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

With the squad named at noon today another rumour swirling around is that Jack McKenzie (Aberdeen) could be called up after Clarke watching the Hibs V Aberdeen semi-final last weekend. Him getting sent off cannot have done him any favours.

Jack Mackenzie has been good this season. Brain fart during the semi final aside He's upped his game and is playing well. 

In saying that I'm not sure he's up for playing LB for Scotland yet. 

[Caledonian Craig]

1 minute ago, vanderark14 said:

Jack Mackenzie has been good this season. Brain fart during the semi final aside He's upped his game and is playing well. 

In saying that I'm not sure he's up for playing LB for Scotland yet. 

Of course. It may just be the press spotting Clarke at the match and putting two and two together to come up with five. Or he may have just been looking at him and Connor Baron for future purposes.

[Caledonian Craig]

A good assist for McTominay inside 3 minutes for United.