The news thread

[aaid]

1 minute ago, Malcolm said:

that’s the government’s fault for not replenishing housing stock.

it’s actually the responsibility of councils, not government.

[Grim Jim]

1 hour ago, Malcolm said:

i fundamentally disagree with the government controlling what people do with their own personal property.  It’s outrageous that they can’t evict and can’t charge what they like.

 

You have demonstrated a certain level of intellect Malcolm, but you let it drop there ya troll 🤣

[phart]

3 hours ago, aaid said:

Of course, both Marx and Smith lived before there was any social housing and the only options were ownership for the tiny minority and rent for the vast majority.

There is a requirement for a private rented sector as there are some people for who that suits their needs.   In the main they’ll be younger but not exclusively and will be people for who they don’t want to, or aren’t in a position to stay in the same place for an extended period, e.g., students, people on short term contracts, people working away from home, etc., etc.

The problem though is that the social renting sector is too small to meet demand and so people are forced into the private sector at excessive rents and are trapped into a position that it’s impossible to get out of, either by meeting the criteria for social housing or being able to build up a big enough deposit to buy.

That's why it's a critique of landlords as a concept as opposed to someone who finds themselves with another house they sometimes rent out or someone with a but and ben somewhere.

[Malcolm]

6 hours ago, Grim Jim said:

You have demonstrated a certain level of intellect Malcolm, but you let it drop there ya troll 🤣

 

im not sure that’s even controversial.  If you rent somewhere, it’s a private contractual agreement between tenant and renter. It’s not for the government to legislate on.

all that will happen is private landlords will remove more stock from the market driving rents up further.  Ireland did this and now on average have 34 interested parties for each rental in Dublin.

this is going to contribute to homelessness.  The other thing landlords will do if they have no way to control rental price is minimise costs.  Good luck to any tenant needing a shower fixed or boiler repair.

 

 

 

[vanderark14]

1 minute ago, Malcolm said:

 

im not sure that’s even controversial.  If you rent somewhere, it’s a private contractual agreement between tenant and renter. It’s not for the government to legislate on.

all that will happen is private landlords will remove more stock from the market driving rents up further.  Ireland did this and now on average have 34 interested parties for each rental in Dublin.

this is going to contribute to homelessness.  The other thing landlords will do if they have no way to control rental price is minimise costs.  Good luck to any tenant needing a shower fixed or boiler repair.

 

 

 

That first paragraph is absolute horseshit. I say that as someone who's been a tenant and landlord

 

[vanderark14]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62805268

 

The new health secretary 🤣🤣🤣

[Orraloon]

15 hours ago, Malcolm said:

Shocker from Nicola freezing rents in the public AND private sector.  Absolutely not for her to decide what the market sets as the rent for a property.

besides, what about landlords facing interest rate rises on their buy to let’s with no facility to pass this on.  Discgraceful.

I think you'll find that it is.

[Orraloon]

16 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

It’s actually quite funny seeing the Tory papers fawn over yet ANOTHER PM, they wet their pants every time , only for it to go pearshaped then shuffle on to the next one. 

So Truss will be the saviour of the nation, with her plan to cap energy, just like they helped us through furlough . No one questions where the fook the money is coming from,  we just wave our flags and say thank god we have the broad shoulders of the UK to look after us .

Here is a hint as to who will be paying for this .

  

 

Forget the "Bank of Mum and Dad" we are borrowing vast amounts of money from the "Bank of our, as yet unborn, descendants"

[thplinth]

Britain heading into the worst crisis in over half a century with inflation at 20% and sky rocketing energy and fuel costs with the pound heading to parity v the dollar which will propel inflation to 25%. So assuming wages grow a small fraction of inflation that is a 20%-25% pay cut every year.

Interest rates are not anywhere near inflation rates so the life savings you spent decades building gets eroded by 20-25% every year... it is grand theft.

And we have Liz Truss as PM... wow.

It is hard to actually take this all in... just how monumentally fucked the UK is looking at this moment in time.

Truss is so far out of her depth it is unreal. (Sunak would have been far worse.) The tories are going to get massacred at the next election whenever it happens. What a collection of useless careerist arseholes they are. Doubt Labour will be any different.

Unless we do an about face pretty smartish here there is going to be some serious civil disorder when people realize what this means in real life. 

[Caledonian Craig]

1 minute ago, thplinth said:

Britain heading into the worst crisis in over half a century with inflation at 20% and sky rocketing energy and fuel costs with the pound heading to parity v the dollar which will propel inflation to 25%. So assuming wages grow a small fraction of inflation that is a 20%-25% pay cut every year.

Interest rates are not anywhere near inflation rates so the life savings you spent decades building gets eroded by 20-25% every year... it is grand theft.

And we have Liz Truss as PM... wow.

It is hard to actually take this all in... just how monumentally fucked the UK is looking at this moment in time.

Truss is so far out of her depth it is unreal. (Sunak would have been far worse.) The tories are going to get massacred at the next election whenever it happens. What a collection of useless careerist arseholes they are. Doubt Labour will be any different.

Unless we do an about face pretty smartish here there is going to be some serious civil disorder when people realize what this means in real life. 

I agree.

Sadly, though there are far too many voters and people in the UK still willing to fight in the Tory corner for some bizarre reason. I suppose it is the same sort of bizarre reason Scots fail to vote/back independence.

Across social media people excusing the crisis choosing to blame COVID (despite Tory mismanagement of that), Brexit (which the Tories pushed for), energy crisis seeing that is Russia's fault (even though neighbouring France has capped energy price rises at 4% due to a state-owned energy company which Tories done away with in this country). In short, to the gullible, it always someone else's fault and never the Tories. Depressing mindset.

[thplinth]

13 hours ago, Malcolm said:

I disagree.  Really feels like a left wing government we have here.  No opportunity for wealth creation.  And to cap it all, no evictions for six month.  
 

mr Smith from our previous example finds his tenant stops paying his rent.  He can’t evict, or sell and loses a third of his income.  At a time when his personal energy bill is doubling.

I can’t see myself ever voting snp again.

That is because it is.

The Marxists of old used social class to mobilze one segment of society against another and this was the 'vehicle' that brought them to power. (Where they became dictators and killed tens of millions of people.)

But people eventually overthrew them and rejected them.

So they rebranded, they replaced the class struggle with identity / woke politics, where now they use race, sex, gender, sexual orientation to turn one segment of society against another and use it as the vehicle to bring them to power.

And then all the anti business sentiment falls into place, of course they hate business... because they are neo-Marxists.

[Ally Bongo]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1567403095243505665.html

Yesterday was bad. It was, in fact, very, very bad. If Johnson was a disaster, Truss has set out to be worse. I very much doubt that any prime minister has set out to create so many conflicts from the outset of their premiership in the way that Truss has. A thread….

[ThistleWhistle]

1 hour ago, thplinth said:

 

Unless we do an about face pretty smartish here there is going to be some serious civil disorder when people realize what this means in real life. 

Heard Mary Beard on Radio 4 say that BJ's metaphore about Cincinnatus points to BJ coming back - Cincinnatus responded to Rome's call a second time leaving his plough to quell serious social unrest amongst the great unwashed. 

 

[ThistleWhistle]

This can't be good surely:

China agrees to pay for Russian gas in roubles and yuan: Gazprom | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

 

Russia’s energy giant Gazprom says it has signed an agreement with China to start payments for gas supplies to China in yuan and roubles instead of US dollars, in a sign of warming relations between Beijing and Moscow, which is under Western sanctions.....

The energy giant said gas from the under-developed Kovykta field will start flowing through the Power of Siberia pipeline “before the end of the year”, allowing for the “increase [in] the volume of gas deliveries to China in 2023”.

[Orraloon]

18 minutes ago, ThistleWhistle said:

This can't be good surely:

 

Depends which side you are on, I suppose?

 

[TDYER63]

13 hours ago, Malcolm said:

i fundamentally disagree with the government controlling what people do with their own personal property.  It’s outrageous that they can’t evict and can’t charge what they like.

I do however have sympathy for people that have to rent, but it’s not up to private landlords to sort that it’s up to the government.  The government are responsible for ensuring there is adequate housing.  It should be in competition with the private sector.  They are clearly not building houses quickly enough.

yes, I know a few landlords.  I also had multiple properties at one point. 
 

 

You fundamentally agree with governments having control to sanction countries who are invading other countries, in order to help keep people safe, but you dont agree with government having control to help its own most vulnerable people at a time, which you have been very vocal about, of unprecedented danger to their welfare  ? 

I know a few landlords too, most of them very decent, and wealthy, people who would not be greetin about a short term cap on rents and evictions.

[Orraloon]

Truss by name, truss by nature.

[Malcolm]

2 hours ago, TDYER63 said:

You fundamentally agree with governments having control to sanction countries who are invading other countries, in order to help keep people safe, but you dont agree with government having control to help its own most vulnerable people at a time, which you have been very vocal about, of unprecedented danger to their welfare  ? 

I know a few landlords too, most of them very decent, and wealthy, people who would not be greetin about a short term cap on rents and evictions.

I completely agree that people need support, but the mechanism by which it is done is what I disagree with.  Most people are decent and wouldn’t look to excessively profiteer from this.  What if a tennant goes in to arrears?  You can’t evict, and would be funding them. Horrific.

if I had a rental property in Edinburgh I would look to air bnb it.  The festival revenue alone would make the rest of the year worthwhile.

I have gone right off Nicola.

 

 

 

[Orraloon]

Well done Lizzie. One problem solved already.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62817391

If only it was that simple. 

[Ally Bongo]

4 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

I have gone right off Nicola.

 

 

 

 

[Hertsscot]

According to the Telegraph the broken-down HMS Prince of Wales is meant to be heading up to Rosyth. 

HMS Prince of Wales will be escorted to dry dock so she doesn't become stranded (msn.com)

What intrigued me was this comment about the difficulties of getting the broken-down boat under the Forth Rail Bridge

“We are constrained by the astrological effects of tides,” the source said. “There’s a lot of looking at data to maximise opportunities.”  Given the astrological variables, it is likely HMS Prince of Wales will start the move to Rosyth in the next fortnight.

I wasn't expecting to see "astrological".  Is that the right term?

 

[phart]

2 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

According to the Telegraph the broken-down HMS Prince of Wales is meant to be heading up to Rosyth. 

HMS Prince of Wales will be escorted to dry dock so she doesn't become stranded (msn.com)

What intrigued me was this comment about the difficulties of getting the broken-down boat under the Forth Rail Bridge

“We are constrained by the astrological effects of tides,” the source said. “There’s a lot of looking at data to maximise opportunities.”  Given the astrological variables, it is likely HMS Prince of Wales will start the move to Rosyth in the next fortnight.

I wasn't expecting to see "astrological".  Is that the right term?

 

I'd say not the correct term.

[Orraloon]

30 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

According to the Telegraph the broken-down HMS Prince of Wales is meant to be heading up to Rosyth. 

HMS Prince of Wales will be escorted to dry dock so she doesn't become stranded (msn.com)

What intrigued me was this comment about the difficulties of getting the broken-down boat under the Forth Rail Bridge

“We are constrained by the astrological effects of tides,” the source said. “There’s a lot of looking at data to maximise opportunities.”  Given the astrological variables, it is likely HMS Prince of Wales will start the move to Rosyth in the next fortnight.

I wasn't expecting to see "astrological".  Is that the right term?

 

It's probably to do with Prince Charles and the occult or something like that? The planets have to be aligned with the correct stars, and the correct number of maidens need to be sacrificed in the required manner. Scotty's yer man for this sort of stuff. 

[aaid]

40 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

According to the Telegraph the broken-down HMS Prince of Wales is meant to be heading up to Rosyth. 

HMS Prince of Wales will be escorted to dry dock so she doesn't become stranded (msn.com)

What intrigued me was this comment about the difficulties of getting the broken-down boat under the Forth Rail Bridge

“We are constrained by the astrological effects of tides,” the source said. “There’s a lot of looking at data to maximise opportunities.”  Given the astrological variables, it is likely HMS Prince of Wales will start the move to Rosyth in the next fortnight.

I wasn't expecting to see "astrological".  Is that the right term?

 

All down to Wee Jimmy Krankie for deliberately building the bridge too low.

[thplinth]

44 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

According to the Telegraph the broken-down HMS Prince of Wales is meant to be heading up to Rosyth. 

HMS Prince of Wales will be escorted to dry dock so she doesn't become stranded (msn.com)

What intrigued me was this comment about the difficulties of getting the broken-down boat under the Forth Rail Bridge

“We are constrained by the astrological effects of tides,” the source said. “There’s a lot of looking at data to maximise opportunities.”  Given the astrological variables, it is likely HMS Prince of Wales will start the move to Rosyth in the next fortnight.

I wasn't expecting to see "astrological".  Is that the right term?

 

Possibly as the tides depend on the positions of the earth, sun and moon. So they will be waiting for a particularly low tide by the sounds of it which may only occur when the three bodies are astrologically in the correct places.