Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The reason I am posting this is to gain another perspective and hear some thoughts on Double Decker buses. On Friday Jan 11, a DD bus here in Ottawa was involved in one of the worst public transit accidents in Ottawa history. 3 people were killed, 25 hurt, with 10 in critical condition. It's the second fatal accident involving DD buses here in Ottawa since they were introduced in 2011. In 2013, six people were killed when I DD bus collided with a train. I won't go into detail on how the accident happened. If you want just google "Ottawa OC Transpo bus accident". Some people are blaming the driver, some the weather conditions, what is coming out now, is the safety of Double Decker buses. Alot of Ottawa bus riders now saying they will never ride a Double Decker bus again, as they fear they are unsafe. Now my question, as I have friends and family who take these DD buses on a daily basis, have you ever felt unsafe, or worried about driver error while riding a DD bus. My understanding is the driver has to keep checking a screen to see what is happening in the top deck at all times, which I believe, threatens the safety of passengers as he or she is not focused on driving 100 percent of the time. Also is the speed of the bus with the added weight and design. Is it built properly for public transit? The one thing that is completely different from Scotland, is the weather. The winters here in Ottawa can be brutal, but on the day of the accident, weather conditions were favorable, just the possibility of black ice. I do not know if these are the same type of buses that are driving around Scotland. From what I understand they are manufactured in the US, but a double decker, is a double decker. So the big question. Do you feel safe on a DD, have there been many accidents involving DD. The city of Ottawa is in shock over this accident, and like I said, lots of people want these DD buses gone completely. Would be interesting to here some input from other cities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 never felt unsafe on double decker in uK - although many of the busses i think migrated in Aberdeen to the Bendy Busses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Forgot to mention. At the time of the accident the bus was at full capacity, which was 90 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, euan2020 said: never felt unsafe on double decker in uK - although many of the busses i think migrated in Aberdeen to the Bendy Busses Yes, I think if it's the same bus they are called "arrticulated" here in Ottawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 London got rid of their bendy buses as they were too dangerous. Too many blind spots when around cyclists. DD are safe, although upstairs at the back can be a bit intimidating when on ones that go to less desirable areas of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Sometimes the Toffee gets stuck in ma teeth, but ive never felt unsafe eating one.. Prefer Wispas tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Only when travelling under a low level bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in5omniac Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The only time I don't feel safe is if I'm going down the stairs on one while it's still moving and I've got my hands full or had a few too many to drink. I think a comedian once likened that to being on Takeshi's Castle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I’d probably rather be on the top deck of a double decker than a single decker if I had to be on a bus that got hit by a train.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Think the biggest worry people have is the speed. The accident happened when apparently the bus started to slide a bit, then the driver lost control. I am only going by what is said in the news. Ottawa has the arrticulated buses, but they always get stuck in the snow, that is why they opted for DDs, problem is at higher speeds, they are harder to control if there is an issue. Maybe it's a case of people still being in shock and looking for blame. I know alot of folk calling in in the radip program were saying the stairs to the upper level were very small and narrow. It will take months to figure a definate cause of this terrible tragedy, but as I mentioned, people are nervous getting on these DD now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, wheres the pies said: Only when travelling under a low level bridge That was also talked about. Some folk getting scared when approaching an overhead bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 If a bus got banjo'd by a train then I'd imagine it would have happened whether it was a wee bus or a big bus. As for the accident itself you mentioned, Googling it alone has the fault at the driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tartan_McCole said: If a bus got banjo'd by a train then I'd imagine it would have happened whether it was a wee bus or a big bus. As for the accident itself you mentioned, Googling it alone has the fault at the driver. Yes, correct. There is alot of finger pointing at the moment which is unfortunate. I have not travelled on one of these DD, my mother takes the express route which has no stops. She has told me it makes her nervous and she has travelled in Glasgiw many many times with no nerves whatsoever. Don't know, as I believe these DD are safe if driven properly. I operate heavy equipment at work and the most important thing is to drive within the speed limits and give extra space for braking. Just so unfortunate this whole accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: I’d probably rather be on the top deck of a double decker than a single decker if I had to be on a bus that got hit by a train.... Once again I think people were blaming the DD design. But as a fellow poster pointed out, getting hit by a train has no bearing on what vehicle it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Brummie Hibs said: London got rid of their bendy buses as they were too dangerous. Too many blind spots when around cyclists. DD are safe, although upstairs at the back can be a bit intimidating when on ones that go to less desirable areas of town. I always remember someone ( I think it was Danny Baker) suggesting that those bendy buses should make a loud accordian sound when they went round a corner. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 As a kid, our double decker hit a bridge on the way back from the Care Bears. Traumatic. Still can’t look at a bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Surprised no one has posted this already - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CVW5sXSNo Pefectly safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm not particularly great with heights and a few years ago I went over the Manhattan Bridge (itself a double decker bridge) on the top deck of one of those open top tour buses at (what felt like) about 70mph on a very windy day and thought I was going to die. I had a similar experience on the Coronado Bridge in San Diego a few years later which was even more terrifying due to the way the bridge sweeps round. I now sit downstairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Did anyone else think this thread was about these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Beem Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, McDange said: Did anyone else think this thread was about these? Heartburn bar. What the fuck is that white stuff above the biscuit and below the chocolate ? Brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 23 hours ago, Jim Beem said: Heartburn bar. What the fuck is that white stuff above the biscuit and below the chocolate ? Brutal. I haven't had one in ages but I'm now intrigued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) On 1/16/2019 at 1:22 PM, McDange said: Did anyone else think this thread was about these? Now you're talking Edited January 18, 2019 by bonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 3:36 PM, Brummie Hibs said: The boy at the front is Peter firth of spooks fame. Also brinsley forde from aswad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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