Rangers Alves statement

[PapofGlencoe]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41742255

On what basis are they going to contest this ban?  It's clear as day the incident shows him kicking the guy.

I thought clubs had to pay for challenging these?  Didin't think Rangers had money to just fling down a pan

[GhostZapper]

I don't think they have a leg to stand on with this specific incident, but I don't get how nobody else has had bans thrown at them as well - the guy that broke the Rangers boys nose should have equally been banned and Louis Moult was lucky to avoid further action as well.

[Fairbairn]

1 minute ago, GhostZapper said:

I don't think they have a leg to stand on with this specific incident, but I don't get how nobody else has had bans thrown at them as well - the guy that broke the Rangers boys nose should have equally been banned and Louis Moult was lucky to avoid further action as well.

That's my take on it as well.  I don't think they necessarily think that Alves shouldn't be banned it's just the balance of fairness isn't right in this instance.

[PapofGlencoe]

I think Bowman should have been cited but it's far more ambiguous whether he meant it or not.  Any "fair minded fan" can see the difference and difficulty in comparing the two incidents.

Moult was booked so if my understanding is right he can't be cited?  Might be wrong though.

I could see Rangers putting out a statement about the fact only Alves is cited.  But to actually contest whether he should be punished and pay money for it?  Bizarre use of cash.

[Squirrelhumper]

21 minutes ago, GhostZapper said:

I don't think they have a leg to stand on with this specific incident, but I don't get how nobody else has had bans thrown at them as well - the guy that broke the Rangers boys nose should have equally been banned and Louis Moult was lucky to avoid further action as well.

Bowman one was debatable whether it was intentional.

Alves was clear as day.

[Fairbairn]

8 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Bowman one was debatable whether it was intentional.

Alves was clear as day.

Had Bowman not already been booked?  If so it was at least another yellow for being reckless.  If he wasn't booked for the incident earlier then he should have been so it was a nailed on 2 yellows.  Alves deserved to be sent off but Moult should have walked for retaliating.  And the guy with the challenge on Morelos should have walked too, in my opinion.  I'm aware however that they're not necessarily cases for the Compliance Officer.

[kumnio]

Really are a bunch of classless bellends at Ibrox

[sbcmfc]

Bowmans was a booking, which would’ve been a 2nd booking, but that part is not relevant in the context of the compliance officer looking at it. It’s a bookable offence, so no further action (diving is an exception to that rule).

Ironically Cardoso committed an identical foul on Moult earlier in the game, but caught him a couple of inches higher, and he only needed stitches above his eye.

I actually agree with Rangers that the system and its inconsistencies are a shambles, but it’s the same reasons that let Pena away with his antics at NDP a fortnight ago, where he could’ve been sent off 3 times.

Jim Traynor should put the crayons down and wipe his tears away.

[Parklife]

30 minutes ago, Fairbairn said:

Had Bowman not already been booked?  If so it was at least another yellow for being reckless.  If he wasn't booked for the incident earlier then he should have been so it was a nailed on 2 yellows.  

Yeah, Bowman should have got a 2nd yellow. 2nd bookings are a case for the compliance office though. 

Moult was booked in teh Alves incident. Therefore it was dealt with by the ref and cannot be cited by the compliance officer. 

Alves was rightly cited and will be banned.

So what the feck is it Rangers are actually whinging at?  

[Squirrelhumper]

42 minutes ago, Fairbairn said:

Had Bowman not already been booked?  If so it was at least another yellow for being reckless.  If he wasn't booked for the incident earlier then he should have been so it was a nailed on 2 yellows.  Alves deserved to be sent off but Moult should have walked for retaliating.  And the guy with the challenge on Morelos should have walked too, in my opinion.  I'm aware however that they're not necessarily cases for the Compliance Officer.

Aye. So I don't see why Rangers are moaning, they know the rules.

[theweestevie]

At the game Moult's booking looked more like it was for the confrontation with Herrera rather than the tangle with Alves. I guess it depends on where they see one incident ends and the next one starts.

The only reason I can see why Rangers would appeal the Alves ban is to postpone it a few days (think he would have been banned for tonight but is now able to play?) which would give more time for Cardoso to recover so we don't have to play Danny Wilson at CB.

[sbcmfc]

2 minutes ago, theweestevie said:

The only reason I can see why Rangers would appeal the Alves ban is...

Is it not to create a smoke screen and to put pressure on officials and the SFA.

The cost of an appeal is pretty low in the scheme of things to Rangers and Celtic, so appealing everything makes sense, sometimes it comes off. Scott Brown appealing purely so he could play against Rangers and subsequently winning the appeal just shows it’s a worthwhile gamble. The SFA are shit scared of the back lash from Rangers fans and the potential litigation from Celtic.

[wee-toon-red]

A smokescreen is exactly what it is. Deflect attention from the fact they're not meeting expectations and, while they're at it, fire up the fans to put extra pressure on officials so that decisions go back to going their way for the next few weeks.

Would be far more constructive and beneficial for the game as a whole to use Sunday's refereeing performance to try and get a debate going about improving the standard of officiating but that wouldn't have the same impact and therefore the required deflection wouldn't happen.

And to be fair to Rangers, every club should be getting together to try and work with the SFA and SPFL on the standard of officiating but, in public at least, none of them appear to be doing anything.

[Ormond]

1 hour ago, kumnio said:

Really are a bunch of classless bellends at Ibrox

Be careful. The Texas Ranger will be along shortly to reprimand you and tell you to take your “hate” to Pie And Bovril.

[vanderark14]

1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Aye. So I don't see why Rangers are moaning, they know the rules.

to deflect away from the fact they've fecked up by appointing a doughnut as manager and to deflect from them being out of another cup.

 

 

[Donaldo87]

Theres yer Vanguard Bears in on the act as well. We are now at the hyperbole of the worst refereeing performance ever :lol;

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I've been involved in football for over 40 years. I've played, watched, coached, and I've worked for the FA, as an assistant referee, referee, referees tutor, mentor, and assessor. Never have I seen such a poor display from a set of match officials, as I witnessed on Sunday in the Betfred League Cup semi-final. Let's not deflect from another poor performance from Rangers, in a match which Motherwell took their chances, but let's also not ignore the performance of the match officials.

In a week where it was widely reported that Motherwell players were looking to be very physical on Rangers players; wouldn't you think that match officials would be at the top of their game? Sadly no. Rangers players were assaulted, and the match officials did nothing. By letting the first elbow on Morelos go unpunished; the referee sent out the message that physical assault on Rangers players was acceptable.

Things didn't improve, and it ended up with one Rangers player suffering a broken nose, after an assault which would earn you a night in a cell if you committed it on the street. Later in the match, both Bruno Alves and Louis Moult should both have been dismissed for stupidly kicking out at each other, and yet the SFA compliance officer has deemed that only Alves should merit retrospective punishment.

Are the SFA now so corrupt that they no longer hide their persecution of Rangers? Are the SFA now so corrupt that assaults on Rangers players are now deemed acceptable?

After the Scottish Cup Final where Hibs supporters invaded the pitch after the final whistle and assaulted Rangers players and officials, it was whitewashed by the Scottish media, and turned into some kind of 'six of one/half a dozen of the other scenario', where Rangers supporters were apportioned half of the blame and Hibs supporters were excused their disgusting behaviour, and given the excuse that it was simply 'over-exuberance'. Its clear that there is an agenda against Rangers in Scottish football.

But it's not just Rangers who are suffering. The Scottish national team is also suffering, because for as long as assaults on players are acceptable in the Scottish game; the Scottish game will suffer. Some media correspondents like to harken back to the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's, and the days where players could kick out at players, and they still think that it's acceptable. It's not! It hasn't been for a long time, and whether they like it or not: it has no place in modern football.

Football has moved on, almost everywhere except in Scotland. 

When more technically gifted players are assaulted and nothing is done about those thugs who carry out those assaults, then what kind of message does that send out? You may wonder why the Scottish national team hasn't qualified for a major tournament for decades, but I don't.
Scottish football is nothing more than a backwater, occupied by dinosaurs who are still trapped in the past.

Now that the SFA has shown just how corrupt it is, by focusing on Alves while ignoring Bowman and Mould, and allowing assaults on Rangers players, then it is clear that Rangers are playing in the wrong country.

Rangers are not welcome in Scottish football. Despite having been illegally punished, and having earned the right to play in the top league in this country again: it is clear that the hatred which consumes supporters and officials of some clubs in Scotland, will not see them rest until our club is destroyed.

It is clear to me that Rangers Football Club is trapped in a country which does not want it. Scottish football needs the money generated by our supporters, but it doesn't want our club. For that reason; we should be boycotting every away match, while looking for avenues to escape from this country which hates us so much.

I'm not even bothered where we find a league which would take us, because I've been to Annan Athletic, Alloa, and every lower league club in Scotland, and I've stood shoulder to shoulder with loyal supporters who have seen us start at the bottom and work our way back to the top.

Regardless of where we would have to start off: we would rise to the top, and we would break more records along the way, because we are the most loyal supporters in the world.

We are trapped here in Scotland, and we will be held back for as long as it takes us to find a way out.

 

[Parklife]

At least Aberdeen took getting pumped off Motherwell with some good grace and dignity...

[Parklife]

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It is clear to me that Rangers Football Club is trapped in a country which does not want it. Scottish football needs the money generated by our supporters, but it doesn't want our club. For that reason; we should be boycotting every away match, while looking for avenues to escape from this country which hates us so much.

I'm not even bothered where we find a league which would take us, because I've been to Annan Athletic, Alloa, and every lower league club in Scotland, and I've stood shoulder to shoulder with loyal supporters who have seen us start at the bottom and work our way back to the top.

Regardless of where we would have to start off: we would rise to the top, and we would break more records along the way, because we are the most loyal supporters in the world.

We are trapped here in Scotland, and we will be held back for as long as it takes us to find a way out.

You can almost taste the tears. "No one likes us and i really, really, really care about it"  

[vanderark14]

34 minutes ago, Parklife said:

You can almost taste the tears. "No one likes us and i really, really, really care about it"  

they are almost right about one part, I certainly don't want them in Scotland. 

[Squirrelhumper]

1 hour ago, Parklife said:

You can almost taste the tears. "No one likes us and i really, really, really care about it"  

It's brilliant.

 

[Squirrelhumper]

Please tell me that's Jeff Winter.

[jcs]

Vanguard bears are almost as funny as their manager AYE  nobody likes yeez that's the only bit they got right what about the other league what about the English league see how quickly you get into the top flight tgere rangers can't even cut it up here right now there a mediocre side that would struggle in the championship probably would be a yoyo team between the championship and the 1st division priceless statements coming from the huns

[phart]

The very fact that the Vanguard Bears statement is pretty indistinguishable from someone ripping the pish should let everyone know how far down the extreme hole hey have went. It's like a statement some cult would put out.

[sbcmfc]

58 minutes ago, phart said:

The very fact that the Vanguard Bears statement is pretty indistinguishable from someone ripping the pish should let everyone know how far down the extreme hole hey have went. It's like a statement some cult would put out.

Are you attacking their Protestant, unionist, loyalist way of life?

 

[phart]

35 minutes ago, sbcmfc said:

Are you attacking their Protestant, unionist, loyalist way of life?

 

It's like something Monty Python would write, the content.