Pool Q Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 12 hours ago, Auld_Reekie said: The harrassment of this nurse is absolutely f***ing moronic. The complete lack of self-awareness continues to amaze me. There really needs to be some restraint and consideration for how this will be used again SNP/Yes because the damage always far outweighs the benefit of hounded a member of the public. I appreciate it looks suspect and there's a huge argument to be made that the BBC (and the media generally) are absolutely appalling at offering any kind of nuanced political coverage. But some folk need to switch Twitter and let people with half a brain consider how best to deal with it. Joanna Cherry MP had to offer apology on Twitter ffs as she repeated the nonsense about her being married to a Tory councillor. How can anyone be so stupid to repeat/retweet this sh*t without engaging their brain?! Infuriatingly, it's almost impossible to question the media because of stuff like this, as it's too easy to dismiss criticisms as hysterical cybernats. But there really needs to be inquiry into how a debate is allowed to focus on devolved issues with little or no comment from the governing UK party. We cannot ask questions like this while people continue to act like children or stalk individuals online. 5 hours ago, Auld_Reekie said: It's absolutely soul-destroying. Maybe plays well in wee cliques but to the rest of us, it's batshit crazy behaviour. How many times does this have to happen before people realise this isnt how you play the game. Papers now lining up days worth of material and folk like David Torrance laughing all the way to the bank with some easy copy. SNP manifesto launch tomorrow now much harder and folk who didn't have a lot of time for SNP/Yes activists even harder to reach and persuade. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever play the man. Stick to playing the f***ing ball. There's loads that could have been said about the debate last night but instead, wisdom of the group is to publicly flog a nurse. Even if it's somehow proven she's a liar and a plant, it's never a great look and the damage will far outweigh the benefits. I don't buy into their being a huge problem in the SNP but it's times like this that I do wonder. There's a mentality that's clearly being tolerated that corrupts otherwise sensible folk like a press officer or Joanna Cherry to join a braying pack and "out" a member of a TV audience. In terms of wanting and expecting to run Scotland however they please, it's like the Scottish Labour years but on steroids - they just kept their morons and idiots behind closed doors and they didnt have Twitter to let them loose on the population. Some folk really need to catch a grip of themselves and see themselves as others see them. And I say this as an SNP voter. 5 hours ago, Parklife said: Most folks over riding memory will be the false smears, as that's what'll get most coverage. All of the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Pool Q said: All of the above. Again Both the Sun and The Record ran stories questioning her validity And since then both the RCN and Trussell Trust have done the same Tomorrows chip paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Stuart Campbell was one of the first to come out and say to folk to play the ball not the man in this issue with the lying nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Mark frae Crieff said: Have you ever had the feeling that they are trying to throw this? All we need is them to say Bruce Grobbelaar has been draughted in as head of strategy.. Aye, I've been thinking about that for a wee while now. I think this election is a no lose situation for May. It's not her strategy, she doesn't have the intellectual capacity to come up with this. But there are plenty in the Tory shadows who do. They way I see it is that there are 3 possible outcomes of this election. The media are correct and May wins a landslide. They just crack on with hard brexit and any extreme draconian measures that they want. She gets a similar majority as to what she does now. That leaves them some wriggle room in EU negotiations saying that the nation didn't fully back her or some other shyte like that. She loses her majority and has to do a deal with the LibDims. This is exactly the scenario Cameron expected (and wanted) to get in 2015. LidDims wont do a deal without a agreement for a 2nd EU referendum. This gives them a Brexit escape route should they choose to use it. Any of the above situations allows them and their wealthy pals to make shitloads of more money. The only thing that could scupper their plans is if they overdo it and Corbyn actually wins the election. They won't allow that to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 hours ago, scoobydoo said: Stuart Campbell was one of the first to come out and say to folk to play the ball not the man in this issue with the lying nurse. I think he has learned from past experience when he jumped in a bit quicker than he should have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orraloon said: Aye, I've been thinking about that for a wee while now. I think this election is a no lose situation for May. It's not her strategy, she doesn't have the intellectual capacity to come up with this. But there are plenty in the Tory shadows who do. They way I see it is that there are 3 possible outcomes of this election. The media are correct and May wins a landslide. They just crack on with hard brexit and any extreme draconian measures that they want. She gets a similar majority as to what she does now. That leaves them some wriggle room in EU negotiations saying that the nation didn't fully back her or some other shyte like that. She loses her majority and has to do a deal with the LibDims. This is exactly the scenario Cameron expected (and wanted) to get in 2015. LidDims wont do a deal without a agreement for a 2nd EU referendum. This gives them a Brexit escape route should they choose to use it. Any of the above situations allows them and their wealthy pals to make shitloads of more money. The only thing that could scupper their plans is if they overdo it and Corbyn actually wins the election. They won't allow that to happen though. Irrespective of how big her majority is I think May has just 2 options 1) Hard Brexit and economic crash with nasty divorce. OR... 2) Soft Brexit and compromise with EU on free movement / ECJ / EU budget. Either option will almost certainly lead to a Tory party leadership challenge before next election in 5 years time. Tories haven't had to make any real world brexit compromises yet - so May and Johnson can just promise more jam tomorrow. The Tories are not united on the issue of Brexit - but the prospect of an election win is holding them together (for now) Edited May 23, 2017 by Haggis_trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Sad to say but the events in Manchester will benefit the torys with them being the most "anti EU" even though it has nothing to do with the EU it will be portrayed as "bad immigrants" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Campaigning in the GE suspended. That is two in a row now isn't it? The campaigns during BREXIT were suspended after Jo Cox was killed. I wonder if this is just a coincidence. Edited May 23, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 On 22/05/2017 at 6:42 PM, phart said: They strive for homogeneity of message so it's not a surprise you have a bunch of sheep braying at the same time. At the risk of being pedantic, sheep don't bray do they? Surely donkeys bray and sheep bleat or baa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Postal vote in this morning. Doing my part to reduce the liklihood of any Tories representing Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, McDange said: Postal vote in this morning. Doing my part to reduce the liklihood of any Tories representing Scotland. Rape Claus Ruth will have it counted already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 3 hours ago, McDange said: Postal vote in this morning. Doing my part to reduce the liklihood of any Tories representing Scotland. But you haven't seen all the manifestos yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 5/22/2017 at 7:44 PM, thplinth said: Listen you want to know why Scunnered wanted to make Wings taboo on here. It is because he is smart, well researched and articulate. Even with his faults that makes him a major pain in the anti independence movement's arse. He is like self taught political guerrilla warfare specialist. He is very good at what he does. However the opposition use his profanity and his wildness (at times) as the excuse to go after him. That said I am amazed he is as restrained as he is. The shit he must be taking every day must be mind bending. They (his critics) are not truly offended by any of this stuff IMHO. All faux outrage and just a way to silence him. Guys like Wings are the future of getting to YES much more than trying to act like some political Jesus while the media and the opposition use your face as a political doormat every day. I actually wanted to make Wings Taboo on here because during the independence referendum he was a damaging aspect of the Yes campaign. I don't see much sharing of Wings over Scotland these days, curious to see whether that would change during the course of a future referendum campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 55 minutes ago, Scunnered said: I actually wanted to make Wings Taboo on here because during the independence referendum he was a damaging aspect of the Yes campaign. Wasn't I don't see much sharing of Wings over Scotland these days, curious to see whether that would change during the course of a future referendum campaign. Your apostles still make it taboo - any Wings link has to be posted with an addendum otherwise you get the usual suspects chirping in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: He was damaging. It's why decent supporters of independence don't share him. I quite like the thought of having apostles. What are we apostling? Handsomeness? Awesomeness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Scunnered said: He was damaging. It's why decent supporters of independence don't share him. I quite like the thought of having apostles. What are we apostling? Handsomeness? Awesomeness? He probably doesn't need to be shared. He has got almost as many fans as you. He possibly isn't going to persuade many folk to change their minds about independence, but I don't think that is what he is trying to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) The fact you're back over him... says it all. Edited May 24, 2017 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, thplinth said: The fact you're back over him... says it all. I'm not. I was back last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Just now, Scunnered said: I'm not. I was back last week. Oh you are back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Scunnered said: I'm not. I was back last week. well i'm glad your back ... even though i disagree with you at times Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scunnered said: I'm not. I was back last week. What do you mean back ? What team do you support ? What school did you go to ? Who are you ? Have you ever been filmed having sex ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 35 minutes ago, FuNsTeR said: well i'm glad your back ... even though i disagree with you at times Scunnered Thank you kindly :ok:. 31 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said: What do you mean back ? What team do you support ? What school did you go to ? Who are you ? Have you ever been filmed having sex ? I was here, then I wasn't, and now I am. Kilmarnock. Garnock Academy. Some would say a god among men. If I didn't no one would believe that I have ever had sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: I love when the intellectuals speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 23 May 2017 at 0:35 PM, hampden_loon2878 said: Sad to say but the events in Manchester will benefit the torys with them being the most "anti EU" even though it has nothing to do with the EU it will be portrayed as "bad immigrants" I'm not so sure about that. I think the majority of people are pretty uncomfortable about the army being on the streets and there's a counter narrative that that's only happening as a result of police numbers - particularly armed police - being reduced as a result of cuts by the current and previous governments. Jon Snow gave Michael Fallon a hard time over that on Ch4 News earlier tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 hours ago, Scunnered said: Thank you kindly :ok:. I was here, then I wasn't, and now I am. Kilmarnock. Garnock Academy. Some would say a god among men. If I didn't no one would believe that I have ever had sex. Nah, never heard of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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